For what values of a are these vectors linearly dependent?

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The discussion revolves around determining the values of 'a' for which the vectors v1=[1,2,-1], v2=[0,1,3], and v3=[a,4,5] are linearly dependent. The concept of linear dependence is central to the problem, as it involves expressing one vector as a linear combination of the others.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the vectors and discuss the implications of linear dependence. Some attempt to solve for 'a' using specific combinations of the vectors, while others question whether multiple solutions are possible. There is also mention of using Gaussian elimination and the resulting implications of free variables in the context of the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing various insights and approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the equations derived from the vector components, and there is an ongoing exploration of how to solve for 'a' effectively.

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Participants note the potential for multiple solutions and the implications of intersecting planes defined by the vectors. There is a concern regarding the plural use of "value" in the original question and how it relates to the solutions being sought.

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Homework Statement


For what value(s) of a are the following vectors v1=[1,2,-1], v2=[0,1,3], and v3=[a,4,5] linearly dependent?

Homework Equations



Since linear dependence means that anyone of the vectors can be expressed as a linear combination of the other vectors:
sv1v1+s2v2=v3

where s1and s2 are some coefficients.

The Attempt at a Solution



Looking at the vectors, I tried v1+2v2=v3

Solving, I get a=1

I'm fairly certain I did the question correctly. The only thing that really bothers me is the plural of "value" in the question - is there ever a case where there can be more than one solution? How can I tell and solve those cases?
 
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The vectors [a,4,5] define a plane. So do [1,2,-1] and [0,1,3]. The linearly dependent cases are the intersections of these two planes.
 
It is the only solution, but instead of trial and error, you can find the solution(s) by solving the equation valid for the components of the vectors.

ehild
 
clamtrox said:
The vectors [a,4,5] define a plane. So do [1,2,-1] and [0,1,3]. The linearly dependent cases are the intersections of these two planes.

Doesn't that imply that anyone of the vectors can be expressed as a linear combination of the other vectors? Basically equate the two planes and solve (which I did)?

ehild said:
It is the only solution, but instead of trial and error, you can find the solution(s) by solving the equation valid for the components of the vectors.

ehild

Could you elaborate, please? What equation?

I did Gaussian Elimination and wound up with a free variable. How am I supposed to solve for a specific case other than to plug in random values (which is essentially what I did in the first place with far less work)? How does it help me determine all of the possible solutions in other cases?
 
s1v1+s2v2=v3. That means three equations for the x,y,z components

s1=a
2s1+s2=4
-s1+3s2=5.

Three equations with three unknowns. No free parameters.

ehild
 
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Doesn't that imply that anyone of the vectors can be expressed as a linear combination of the other vectors? Basically equate the two planes and solve (which I did)?

Yes. Two planes intersect either on only one line, or everywhere.
 
ehild said:
s1v1+s2v2=v3. That means three equations for the x,y,z components

s1=a
2s1+s2=4
-s1+3s2=5.

Three equations with three unknowns. No free parameters.

ehild

Ah. Just solve the matrix/system of equations for a.

Thank you.
 

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