Force Analysis of a Pulley System with Inclined Plane and Hanging Masses

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a pulley system with an inclined plane and two masses. The original poster presents the scenario of a block on an incline connected to a hanging mass, seeking to determine the acceleration of the blocks and the tension in the cord.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on each mass, including gravitational forces and tension. There is an attempt to apply Newton's second law (F=ma) to derive equations for acceleration and tension, but some participants express confusion about including tension in their calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the necessity of including tension in the force equations, and there is a recognition of the need for two equations to solve for the unknowns.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem as presented, including the specific masses and the angle of the incline. There is an acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings regarding the role of tension in the system.

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A block of mass m1 = 4.00 kg on a frictionless inclined plane of angle 30.0° is connected by a cord over a massless, frictionless pulley to a second block of mass m2 = 2.40 kg hanging vertically (Fig. 5-41).

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Figure 5-41

(a) What is the magnitude of the acceleration of each block?
F=ma; F1=M1g F1 = 23.5N F2=M2Gsin(30)=19.6N Ax1=3.9N/4kg=.975m/s^2 that's wrong, the same for the other mass which I just subbed the 4 with the 2.4kg

(b)What is the tension in the cord?

the two forces combined 19.6+23.5=43.12N
also wrong
 
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There are two forces acting on m1, a component of m1*g acting along the incline and the tension T. There are also two forces acting on m2, m2*g and T. Both have the same acceleration a, so write F=ma for each and solve for a and T.
 
I understand that, but that still yeilds a force of 3.9N right, in negative X I have M1gsin30 and in positive I have M2g so, Fx1= M2g - M1gsin30 =3.9N and divided by mass, that's still .975m/s^2 right?
 
You are just adding together the gravitational forces. I don't see any tension force in there. Write down the sum of the forces on each object and then equate them to m*a. Call the tension T. It's pulling up on both objects. There are two unknowns in the problem, the tension and the acceleration. You need an F=ma equation for both objects to get two equations to solve for them.
 
okay I got you, I need to put T in there from the start, I just supposed T was the difference in the forces.
 

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