Force and motion -- A water drop on the windscreen of a car

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The discussion revolves around the forces acting on a water drop on a car's windscreen, particularly focusing on the effects of wind and the relationship between the drop's acceleration and the car's acceleration. The subject area includes concepts of friction, normal force, and motion dynamics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the nature of forces acting on the drop, including friction and normal force. There are questions about the assumptions regarding these forces and how they relate to the drop's behavior on the windscreen. Some participants explore the implications of the car's acceleration on the drop's position and the forces involved.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the forces acting on the drop and the car's motion. Some participants have provided insights into the nature of friction and normal force, while others are questioning the assumptions made about these forces. The discussion is active, with multiple interpretations being considered.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of fluid dynamics and friction, with specific attention to the behavior of a water drop on a sloped surface. There are mentions of the limitations of static friction and the role of surface tension, indicating a need for clarity on these concepts.

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Yes, the wind will exert a horizontal force, and R may also change.
You will need to make some assumption about the nature of F to decide whether that will change,
You also know that the drop stays on the windscreen, which gives you information relating the acceleration of the car to the acceleration of the drop.
 
haruspex said:
Yes, the wind will exert a horizontal force, and R may also change.
You will need to make some assumption about the nature of F to decide whether that will change,
You also know that the drop stays on the windscreen, which gives you information relating the acceleration of the car to the acceleration of the drop.
F is friction. When car accelerates, the drop goes to the left with the same acceleration so R has to increase since it needs a bigger component to the left . F is always directly proportionality to R so F increases as well.
haruspex said:
Yes, the wind will exert a horizontal force, and R may also change.
You will need to make some assumption about the nature of F to decide whether that will change,
You also know that the drop stays on the windscreen, which gives you information relating the acceleration of the car to the acceleration of the drop.
Thanks for the comment. F is friction. When car accelerates, the drop goes to the left with the same acceleration so R has to increase since it needs a bigger component to the left . F is always directly proportionality to R so F increases as well. Is this correct ?
 
shk said:
F is friction... F is always directly proportionality to R so F increases as well.
Water is not solid. When it flows over a surface, it does not all need to move at once.
I would think a raindrop can stay where it is on a sloping surface because of surface tension. That does not increase when the normal force increases.
Anyway, it is not true that static frictional force is proportional to normal force. It is only ever as large as it needs to be to prevent sliding. ##\mu_sN## is only the upper limit of the magnitude of the frictional force.
 

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