Force between two charged bodies

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The discussion revolves around the electrostatic forces between two charged spheres, one with 10 protons and 10 neutrons, and another with 2 protons and 2 electrons. Participants explore the implications of charge interactions and the net force resulting from these interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question the meaning of "different electrostatic forces" and the overall charge of each sphere. There is discussion about how individual charges interact and whether the net force remains zero.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the calculation of net charge and the interactions between individual charges. There is ongoing exploration of how changes in charge affect the net force, with no explicit consensus reached on the implications of stripping electrons from the larger sphere.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the definitions of charge and the implications of neutral versus charged states, with some uncertainty about the specific numbers related to net force calculations.

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Homework Statement



Suppose I had a large sphere with 10 protons and 10 neutrons. Another sphere with 2 protons and 2 electrons. How many different electrostatic forces would be acting between the two spheres? What would be the likely net force between the two spheres in this example? How would this change if I stripped 2 electrons away from the larger sphere?

Homework Equations



Coulomb's law

F=k(q1^2)(q2^2)/d^2

The Attempt at a Solution



what do they mean by how many "different electrostatic forces"?
Would the net force be 0? and i don't think it would change even if i stripped away 2 electrons?
 
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What is q1 (the charge on the first sphere)? What is q2 (the charge on the second sphere). Plugging these into coulomb's law will give you the total (net) force between the spheres.

Each sphere has a number of electric charges on it, and each charge on the first sphere interacts with every charge on the second sphere. Of course, the sum of these interactions should just be the same as the total one you calculated using the above method (by just looking at overall charge totals).
 
wait... is the charge 10 and 2 respectively?
also, what do they mean by how many different electrostatic forces?
 
runningirl said:
wait... is the charge 10 and 2 respectively?

Well, what is the charge of a proton? How about a neutron? And an electron? Add them up for each sphere.

runningirl said:
also, what do they mean by how many different electrostatic forces?

I had intended this statement below as an answer to that question. Sorry if I wasn't clear. :redface:

cepheid said:
Each sphere has a number of electric charges on it, and each charge on the first sphere interacts with every charge on the second sphere.
 
if you add them up.. it's 0.

...the electrostatic charge is just neutral because of the protons and electrons...
 
Yes. The net charge of two protons and two electrons is zero. So q2 is zero. So sphere 2 is uncharged and feels no force from sphere 1.
 
so there are no electrostatic forces.
but the net force would be more positive if you did strip 2 electrons away from the larger sphere. is there a specific number for the "net force". would it be.. 6?
 
runningirl said:
so there are no electrostatic forces.

There is no NET electrostatic force, but there are individual electrostatic forces amongst the various individual charged particles that are present. Like I said twice before, every individual charged particle on the first sphere exerts a force on every individual charged particle on the second one. It's just that all of these forces add up to zero. The question still wants you to count how many of them there are.
runningirl said:
but the net force would be more positive if you did strip 2 electrons away from the larger sphere. is there a specific number for the "net force". would it be.. 6?

Even if you stripped two electrons away from the *larger* sphere (the one with the 10 protons and 10 neutrons), making its net charge more positive, the smaller sphere would still be neutral, and there would still be no force acting.

I don't understand the rest of your question. What does, 'is there a specific number for the 'net force'" mean?
 
i was wondering if the net force would change though.
because it wouldn't be 0, would it? or it would stay 0 because the smaller sphere is 0?
 

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