I Force carrier particle trajectories and warped spacetime

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The discussion centers on whether force carrier particles, such as gravitons, follow the curvature of spacetime or travel in straight lines. One viewpoint suggests that since gravity exists around black holes, force carriers cannot escape the event horizon, implying they do not follow spacetime curvature. However, it is argued that force carriers lack well-defined worldlines, making the question poorly posed. Additionally, a recommendation is made to study general relativity, quantum mechanics, and quantum field theory from textbooks for a deeper understanding of the topic. Overall, the complexity of the relationship between force carriers and spacetime curvature remains a nuanced subject in theoretical physics.
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Do force carriers follow the curvature of spacetime, or do they travel in perfectly straight lines?

With black holes, gravity of course exists, so I'm thinking the force carriers (at least gravitons) don't follow spacetime curvature, since they would never escape the event horizon.

Sounds like one of the paradoxes of relativity vs. quantum mechanics.

I tried to find a paper on this at arxiv and google scholar, but there don't seem to be any.

Thanks,

Jake
 
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jaketodd said:
Do force carriers follow the curvature of spacetime, or do they travel in perfectly straight lines?
Force carriers do not have well-defined worldlines, so the question is not well posed. Even thinking of force carriers as "particles" at all has serious limitations; look up the PF Insights articles on "virtual particles".

jaketodd said:
With black holes, gravity of course exists, so I'm thinking the force carriers (at least gravitons) don't follow spacetime curvature, since they would never escape the event horizon.
Wrong. See here:

https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/BlackHoles/black_gravity.html
 
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jaketodd said:
I tried to find a paper on this at arxiv and google scholar, but there don't seem to be any.
You would be much better served by taking the time to learn the basics of GR, QM, and QFT from textbooks, rather than making random Internet searches for answers to random questions that pop into your mind. Without at least a basic level of understanding, you won't know what questions to ask or what terms to search for. There's a reason why people who study these fields learn them from textbooks. There are no shortcuts.
 
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