Force: max tension before rope breaks

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The problem involves determining the maximum weight that two ropes can support without breaking, given their maximum tension capacity. The subject area relates to forces, tension in ropes, and equilibrium conditions in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the maximum weight based on the tension in the ropes at different angles. Some participants suggest using free body diagrams to analyze the forces acting on the system, while others express uncertainty about the equilibrium conditions and the relationship between the tensions in the ropes.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of the problem, with some participants providing guidance on using free body diagrams. There is an acknowledgment of the need to ensure equilibrium in both vertical and horizontal forces, but no explicit consensus has been reached regarding the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the maximum tension each rope can sustain and the angles involved, which may affect the distribution of forces. The original poster's calculations are based on assumptions about the tensions in the ropes.

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Homework Statement



If the maximum tension either rope can sustain without breaking is 4000 N, determine the maximum value of the hanging weight that these ropes can safely support. You can ignore the weight of the ropes and the steel cable.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I figured out that the rope with the 60 degree angle will have the greater tension therefore being able to hold a less amount of weight.

so i did 4000*sin(60)=W

W=3464 Newtons

so the rope that can hold the least amount of tension will be able to hold 3464 N.

i then doubled this to get 6928 N and that is the total weight both ropes can hold if the max tension of the weakest rope can support 4000 N.

Does this sound correct?

Thank you
 
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You should draw a free body diagram and get the forces acting on the middle point where the metal cable and ropes meet.
Fy: T1sin(40) + T2sin(60) - mg = 0
Fx: T1cos(40) - T2cos(60)= 0
 
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Hmm I'm not so sure it's that easy, I assume that the block must remain in equilibrium and therefore the horizontal forces must be equal aswell, i'd make sure they are. The tensions in each rope may not be the same!

damn that guy above me editing >.<
 
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korican04 said:
You should draw a free body diagram and get the forces acting on the middle point where the metal cable and ropes meet.
Fy: T1sin(40) + T2sin(60) - mg = 0
Fx: T1cos(40) - T2cos(60)= 0

Thank you. that worked great and makes sense. i just used 4000 N for T2 on the Fx then solved for T1 then plugged that into the other equation and got the weight :)

thanks again.
 

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