Force needed to push a trolley onto sidewalk

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The discussion revolves around determining the minimum force required to push a trolley onto a sidewalk curb. The problem involves concepts from mechanics, specifically torque and forces acting on the trolley as it approaches the curb.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the mechanics of the trolley's front wheel rotating about a pivot point as it approaches the curb. Questions arise regarding the forces acting on the trolley, particularly the distribution of gravitational force and the role of normal forces at the moment before the wheel begins to roll onto the sidewalk.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the assumptions about the forces involved, particularly the normal force and its direction. Some participants suggest considering the situation just after the trolley begins to mount the curb, indicating a productive exploration of the mechanics involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the complexities of force interactions at the curb, including the normal force's orientation and the implications of the curb's geometry on the forces acting on the trolley's wheels.

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Homework Statement


Find minimum Force needed to push the trolley onto the curb.

Homework Equations


Torque=r x F

The Attempt at a Solution


The front wheel will rotate about point b if the trolley is pushed onto the sidewalk. This should mean that as soon as the wheel has a positive torque about point b the trolley will move onto the sidewalk. I think that in the moment just before the wheel begins to roll onto the sidewalk there will be no normal force acting on it. What confuses me is how should I know which part of the weight is pushing onto the wheel and if the entire force F is acting on the wheel.
 

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Fibo112 said:

Homework Statement


Find minimum Force needed to push the trolley onto the curb.

Homework Equations


Torque=r x F

The Attempt at a Solution


The front wheel will rotate about point b if the trolley is pushed onto the sidewalk. This should mean that as soon as the wheel has a positive torque about point b the trolley will move onto the sidewalk. I think that in the moment just before the wheel begins to roll onto the sidewalk there will be no normal force acting on it. What confuses me is how should I know which part of the weight is pushing onto the wheel and if the entire force F is acting on the wheel.
At the point where the wheel is about to rotate, what forces act on the trolley? What equations can you write?
 
The forces acting are the gravitational force, the force the person imparts, the force that the curb imparts on the wheel and the normal force. Would it be correct to assume the in the moment before the wheel rotates the entire gravitational force is on the front wheels?
 
Fibo112 said:
the normal force
The normal force where, exactly?
What direction is the force from the kerb?
 
The force from the ground on the wheels. I'm not sure in which direction the force from the kerb is. I know it is usually normal to the surface but here is surface is a corner...
 
Fibo112 said:
The force from the ground on the wheels
Which wheels? Consider the situation just after it starts to mount the kerb.
Fibo112 said:
I'm not sure in which direction the force from the kerb is. I know it is usually normal to the surface but here is surface is a corner...
The normal force is normal to the contact plane. What plane separates the two objects without cutting either?
 
I guess one with a 45 degree angle...I would say that there is a normal force acting on all of the wheels..
 
Fibo112 said:
I would say that there is a normal force acting on all of the wheels..
As I wrote, think about the situation just after it has started to mount the kerb. What are the normal forces on the wheels then?
 

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