Force of a block on an incline above a horizontal

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The discussion revolves around calculating the normal force acting on a block with a mass of 4.30 kg subjected to an applied force of 31.2 N at an angle of 38.0˚ above a horizontal frictionless surface. The correct normal force is determined to be 22.9 N, contrasting with an initial incorrect calculation of 40.2 N. The participants clarify the methodology for calculating net forces, emphasizing the importance of vector addition in physics, particularly in the context of frictional forces, which are always opposite to the direction of motion.

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Homework Statement


The block shown in figure #1 above has a mass of 4.30 kg. The applied force F has a magnitude of 31.2 N and is directed at 38.0˚ above the horizontal frictionless surface the block in on. What is the magnitude of the normal force that acts on the block?

Homework Equations


Fnormal = m*g*cos(theta)

The Attempt at a Solution


I get 40.2 N. The answer of our solutions page is 22.9N

What am I doing wrong?
 
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TheFlemster said:
What am I doing wrong?
We could help you if you posted the figure so we wouldn't have to guess.
 
how do i upload the homework sheet?
 
TheFlemster said:
how do i upload the homework sheet?
First get a good quality and easily legible picture. Then click the "UPLOAD" button on the lower right.
 
ok this is the sheet. Its problem 1
 

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TheFlemster said:
I get 40.2 N. The answer of our solutions page is 22.9N
Can you show us how you got this answer? We cannot tell what you are doing wrong just by looking at one number.
 
I actually figured it out. I did: (4.30)(9.80)-F31.2sin(38) = 22.9N
How would I acquire the net force?
 
31.2N is the applied force given in the problem.
 
TheFlemster said:
I actually figured it out. I did: (4.30)(9.80)-F31.2sin(38) = 22.9N
Very good.
TheFlemster said:
How would I acquire the net force?
Add all the forces in the horizontal direction to get the horizontal component of the net force.
Add all the forces in the vertical direction to get the vertical component of the net force.
 
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Ok so i figured out all of number 1 and parts a,b,c, and d on number 2. Part e on number 2 is asking for the firctional force that acts on the block, i did 21.5N(cos(29.4)) = 18.7N. the answer is -18.7N. I know how to work it, but i do not understand why the frictional force is negative?
 
  • #11
The force of kinetic friction is always opposite to the velocity. Here the velocity is to the right, in the conventional positive direction. Therefore, the force of kinetic friction is in the negative direction to the left.

When you are calculating the net force you do a vector addition. For example, if vector A is to the right and vector B is to the left and they add up to zero, you would write ##\vec{A} + \vec{B} =0##. Now it is also true that ##\vec{A} = A \hat{i}## and ##\vec{B} = -B \hat{i}## where A and B are the magnitudes of the vectors. Thus, you have ##A \hat{i} +(-B \hat{i})=0## which simplifies to the following relation between magnitudes ##A - B = 0##. See how it works?
 
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