Force of an Electron on a Potential Wall?

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The discussion revolves around a question from a practice test in quantum physics regarding the estimation of the force exerted by an electron on the walls of a box during a collision. Participants explore the implications of the question, the definitions of the terms involved, and the quantum state of the electron.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses skepticism about the validity of the question, suggesting it seems nonsensical but is open to interpretations that might make it reasonable.
  • Another participant requests a verbatim quote of the question to clarify its content.
  • A participant questions what quantum state the electron would occupy and what properties that state would have.
  • There is a discussion about the definitions of "box" and "wall" in the context of the problem, indicating potential ambiguity in the question.
  • One participant suggests that estimating the electron's momentum might be beneficial for addressing the question.
  • Another participant proposes a method to approach the problem by assuming a hard wall and calculating the expected ground state energy, linking it to the force through the derivative with respect to the box size.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity and intent of the question, particularly regarding the phrase "during an impact."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the question or the definitions of key terms. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding how to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the problem, particularly regarding the nature of the walls and the definition of force in this quantum context. The discussion reflects a need for clarity on these points.

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I've been looking at a practice test for an introductory class in quantum physics, and I've found a really weird question. It asks for an estimation of the force that an electron exerts on the walls of a box of known length during a collision.

This seems like an entirely nonsense thing to ask to me, but I'm wondering if anyone can see an angle from which this question makes sense.

Edit: Here's the exact question:
"Consider an electron in a box with width a = 1 A (angstrom). Give an estimation of the force exerted by the electron on the box walls during an impact."
 
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Please quote the question verbatim.
 
"Consider an electron in a box with width a = 1 A (angstrom). Give an estimation of the force exerted by the electron on the box walls during an impact."
 
What quantum state would you expect the electron to be in? What are the properties of that state?
 
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HarrisonG said:
"Consider an electron in a box with width a = 1 A (angstrom). Give an estimation of the force exerted by the electron on the box walls during an impact."
In this context, what is a box and what exactly is a wall?
 
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Would it help to have an estimate of the electron's momentum?
 
HarrisonG said:
I've been looking at a practice test for an introductory class in quantum physics, and I've found a really weird question.
You might have more luck in the HH forums, because the template requires certain steps. If nothing else, there will be a verbatim statement of the problem and an attempt at a solution so we would have a more well-defined starting point.
 
HarrisonG said:
"Consider an electron in a box with width a = 1 A (angstrom). Give an estimation of the force exerted by the electron on the box walls during an impact."
The problem I have is with the phrase I colored red. What does that even mean in this context?? The question can ask about an average force on the containing wall but as stated it is fraught. The route I would suggest is to assume a hard wall (infinite potential) and box size a, solve for the expected ground state energy and associate the force with the derivative of that energy w.r.t. the size a of the box. What do you get?
I would worry a bit about the prof here......
 
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