Force on a current currying wire in a magnetic field

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The discussion centers on the force experienced by a current-carrying wire in a magnetic field, specifically in the context of a multi-choice question from the AQA A Level physics exam. Participants clarify that while the scales indicate a positive reading suggesting a downward force, the correct interpretation involves Newton's Third Law, which states that if the wire exerts a downward force on the yoke, the yoke must exert an equal and opposite upward force on the wire. This leads to the conclusion that the force on the wire is indeed vertically upward, contrary to initial assumptions.

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Homework Statement


This is a multi choice question from last years aqa a level. We know a positive reading is produced on the scales indicating something is pushing down on the scales.
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Homework Equations


We know current direction, not B field.

The Attempt at a Solution


The positive reading on the scales suggests that the force on the wire is vertically down. Mark scheme says vertically up. We think Newton III is needed but not sure how it works.

Can anyone help explain why i is vertically up.
 

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maxelcat said:
The positive reading on the scales suggests that the force on the wire is vertically down.
Is the wire attached to the scales?
 
nope. = the wire is not attached to the scales, though it is clamped at points D and E.
 
maxelcat said:
nope. = the wire is not attached to the scales, though it is clamped at points D and E.
Exactly. The yoke is what is attached to the scales. So rethink things with that in mind.
 
so the yoke is pushed down. Which means the wire is pushing it down. So there must be a downward force on the wire...
 
maxelcat said:
so the yoke is pushed down.
Yes.

maxelcat said:
Which means the wire is pushing it down.
Yes.

maxelcat said:
So there must be a downward force on the wire...
No. Consider Newton's 3rd law.
 
well I think you are getting me to say that if the wire is pushing the yoke down then the yoke is pushing it up... but that doesn't make sense to me because I can't see how the interplay between the current and the mag field works. Suppose I then took away the clamps that are holding the wire DE in place and changed nothing else. The wire would move upwards - yes?
 
maxelcat said:
well I think you are getting me to say that if the wire is pushing the yoke down then the yoke is pushing it up...
Sure. Newton's 3rd law in action. If A pushes B up, then B must push A down.

maxelcat said:
Suppose I then took away the clamps that are holding the wire DE in place and changed nothing else. The wire would move upwards - yes?
Yes.
 

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