Force/P. energy functions for weak, strong interactions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the equations for force and potential energy functions associated with the strong, weak, and electroweak interactions. Participants are exploring the availability of these equations in literature, particularly in relation to gravitational and electromagnetic interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests the equations for the force and potential energy functions for the strong, weak, and electroweak interactions, noting that such information is often not readily available.
  • Another participant challenges the initial poster to provide specific references to the sources they are citing, emphasizing the importance of clarity and context in discussions.
  • A participant expresses frustration over the request for specificity, arguing that it should not be necessary to provide references for a general inquiry about established concepts.
  • It is noted that strong and weak interactions are non-Abelian gauge theories, which complicates their description compared to electromagnetic and gravitational forces.
  • There is a reiteration of the need for specific references to ensure that the discussion is grounded in credible sources and to facilitate understanding among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the necessity of providing specific references for the inquiry. While some emphasize the importance of references for clarity and context, others feel that the initial question should be addressed without such requirements. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the availability of the requested equations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of non-Abelian gauge theories and their differences from classical interactions, indicating that the equations for strong and weak interactions may not be as straightforward as those for gravity and electromagnetism.

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Hi everyone.

So I was studying and they say there is a force function (and a potential energy, I suppose) for every fundamental interaction. So, they always show the gravitational and electromagnetic force/potential energy functions for these, and they always mention the other two (plus the fact that there is an electroweak interaction already).

So, straight to the point, what are the equations for the force/potential energy functions for the strong, weak, and electroweak interactions? I cannot find them anywhere.

Thanks in advance.
 
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SothSogi said:
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Who are "they"? Please provide appropriate references.
 
I know they are going to close this topic for what I am going to say, but, Orodruin, you have got to be kidding me if you do not answer the question but rather want me to be specific. Anyway, by they I mean the authors of the books, Kleppner, Dourmashkin, Young and Freedman, Thomas Moore, was that neccesary. honestly, to answer my question?
 
Asking people to be specific in providing references is an important part of PF. It is always acceptable for someone to ask for references and such questions should always be honored. (And without anger)

References are used for several purposes. One is to avoid misunderstandings. Another is to see if the poster is learning from a bad source. A third is to see if a poster is misunderstanding a good source. A fourth is to establish that the topic is indeed a valid topic for PF.

Another reason is to help orient the helpers. Many respondents may know the answer, but need to understand the question. Your question is about a description you read in a book by those authors, so identifying the reference allows them to understand the context of the question.

So again, instead of a list of authors, please actually provide a reference for exactly what is causing trouble for you. E.g. where they do what you want for EM, but leave off the strong and weak forces.
 
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SothSogi said:
I know they are going to close this topic for what I am going to say, but, Orodruin, you have got to be kidding me if you do not answer the question but rather want me to be specific. Anyway, by they I mean the authors of the books, Kleppner, Dourmashkin, Young and Freedman, Thomas Moore, was that neccesary. honestly, to answer my question?
If you do not give a specific reference for where you are taking your statements from, that is on you. If you want to get any answers regarding what you read, then you need to provide the proper references in order for us to have any possibility to find out what information you have been reading so far and gauge your understanding of it. This is particularly true when you are dealing with something that is not 100% true and additionally it is required by the forum guidelines. Strong and weak interactions are non-Abelian gauge theories and they do not work out in the same simple fashion as electromagnetism and gravity in the classical limit. On top of that, as Dale said, you have still not complied with forum rules by providing the specific reference.
 

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