Force to move a bar in a magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a rod moving in a magnetic field, specifically focusing on the forces required to maintain its motion at a constant speed. The subject area includes electromagnetism and concepts related to magnetic flux, induced current, and forces acting on charged particles in a magnetic field.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the force needed to move the rod by analyzing the induced electromotive force (EMF) and current in the circuit formed by the rod and rails. Some participants question the relationship between the variables involved, particularly the inclusion of velocity in the final expression for force.

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Participants are actively discussing the derivation of the force required to move the rod, with some offering clarifications on the mathematical relationships involved. There is acknowledgment of the need to incorporate velocity into the calculations, and the conversation reflects a collaborative effort to understand the underlying principles without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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There is an indication that the participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the extent of guidance provided. The original poster expresses a desire to arrive at the solution independently, contributing to the exploratory nature of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


I made this image to illustrate:
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A rod with resistance R lies across frictionless conducting rails in a constant uniform magnetic field B. Assume the rails have negligible resistance. The magnitude of the force that must be applied by a person to pull the rod to the right at a constant speed v is:

Homework Equations


E = -\frac{d \phi}{dt}
Plus any of maxwells equations et al.

The Attempt at a Solution



From what I figure, as the bar moves to the right, the magnetic flux will be increasing, and so, the current in the loop will produce a field opposing the change. This B field would be coming out of the screen/page, so the current must be going counter clockwise.

Now,
<br /> \Phi = B \dot A\\<br /> A = Lx\\<br /> \Phi = BLxcos(\theta)\\<br />

But theta (angle between area vector and B is 0:

<br /> \Phi = BLx<br />

The velocity of the bar is basically in x per seconds, so I think I can say that basically x is time. That way, I can differentiate the flux as so:

<br /> \Phi = BLx\\<br /> \frac{d\Phi}{dt} = BL\\<br />

Now, E in the loop will equal negative BL since:
E = -\frac{d\Phi}{dt}

and so, via Ohms law, the current in the loop is:
<br /> V=IR\\<br /> I=\frac{V}{R}\\<br /> I = \frac{-BL}{R}\\<br />

Then, by the equation of the Lorentz force:
<br /> F_{B} =I(L×B)\\<br /> F_{B} = ILBsin(\theta)\\<br />

But theta here is 90 degrees, and sin(90) = 1,

So I think the "opposing" force on the bar due to it moving and increasing the flux through the loop is equal to ILB.

So at least a force of ILB is required to move the bar to the right, and with a force of ILB, the bar will remain still. So now I am lost.

What's the next step? I know the solution but I need to figure this out myself.
 
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I forgot this part:

Since:
I = \frac{-BL}{R}\\<br />

and

F = ILB

Then:
F = -\frac{B^{2}L^{2}}{R}

Which is almost the answer I need, it's definitely the force to the left. So to pull it to the right I need to put that force.

There should be a v in that equation though, and I don't see how.
 
Well you have \Phi = BLx so \frac{\mathrm{d}\Phi }{\mathrm{d} t} = BL\frac{\mathrm{d} x}{\mathrm{d} t} = Blv. So there's your v.
 
WannabeNewton said:
Well you have \Phi = BLx so \frac{\mathrm{d}\Phi }{\mathrm{d} t} = BL\frac{\mathrm{d} x}{\mathrm{d} t} = Blv as per the chain rule. So there's your v.

Ah, I see. Idk what I was thinking with this sentence:

"The velocity of the bar is basically in x per seconds, so I think I can say that basically x is time. That way, I can differentiate the flux as so:"Thanks
 

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