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To determine the friction force needed to stop a 3.2 kg disk spinning at 350 rpm in 2.4 seconds, the discussion highlights the importance of using both linear and rotational dynamics equations. The initial calculations for linear acceleration yielded a force of 9.03 N, which was deemed incorrect. A more accurate approach using net torque and angular acceleration led to a torque of 0.8363 Nm, resulting in a friction force of 4.52 N. The conversation emphasizes the need to properly convert units and apply the correct formulas for rotational motion. Understanding the relationship between torque, moment of inertia, and angular acceleration is crucial for solving such problems effectively.
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Homework Statement


The 3.2kg , 37-cm-diameter disk in the figure is spinning at 350 rpm .

How much friction force must the brake apply to the rim to bring the disk to a halt in 2.4s?

Homework Equations


F = m * a
I = (1/2) * mass * radius2 (I probably need to use this but I can't figure out how it works in)
rotational speed = rotations/sec * circumference

The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried going about it multiple ways, but I think I'm just leading myself in circles

Going to try to solve using F = m * a

Solving for a:
350 rpm / 60 seconds = 5.83 rotations/second
5.83 rotations / second * (2π * .37m / 2) m/rotation = 6.77 m/s

If I want to go from that to 0 m/s in 2.4s then it's (6.77m/s) / 2.4s = 2.82 m/s2

So since F = m * a = 3.2kg * 2.82 m/s2 = 9.03 N

Except that answer is wrong.

I would love to use the different rotational formulas but I can't figure out what I'm supposed to use and when to switch from radians to meters and such.
 
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Also tried this:

Net torque = I * α
I = (.5 * 3.2kg * .185m2) = .0548 kg*m2
α = ((350rpm / 60 s) - 0) * 2π / 2.4s = 15.27 rad/s

Net torque = .0548 * 15.27 = .8363 Nm

Net torque = F * radius
.8363 = F * .185

F = 4.52 N

This one seems more correct but I've done it wrong so many times I don't know if I'm losing my mind.

Edit: Also this one is exactly 1/2 my other answer so I assume in the other one or in this one I divided/multiplied by 2 somewhere when I shouldn't have.
 
#2 is on the right track.

Force = mass * acceleration ... is the linear case
Torque = Moment of inertia * angular acceleration ... is the same thing but for rotation.

Phys185Help said:
Net torque = I * α
I = (.5 * 3.2kg * .185m2) = .0548 kg*m2

You didn't post a diagram but I assume it's a disc so I = 0.5*m*r2

Where do you get 0.185m2 ?

α = ((350rpm / 60 s) - 0) * 2π / 2.4s = 15.27 rad/s

That should be rad/s2 because α is the angular acceleration.
 
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