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The discussion revolves around calculating the electrical force between two down quarks within a neutron, specifically at a separation of 1.0 × 10^-15 m. The original poster attempts to apply Coulomb's law to find the force but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their result, which they believe is lower than expected based on related concepts of quark interactions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the application of Coulomb's law and question the validity of the calculated force. There is a comparison made between the electrostatic force and the strong nuclear force, with references to the weight of a 10-tonne truck as a point of confusion.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes attempts to clarify the differences between electrostatic and nuclear forces, with some participants suggesting that the original poster's calculations may not align with the expected magnitudes of forces at this scale. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the comparison of forces and the nature of quark interactions.

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Participants note that the assignment includes specific references to textbook material, which may influence their understanding of the forces involved. The distinction between repulsive electric forces and attractive nuclear forces is also under discussion.

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Forces between 2 down quarks...could someone please help me : )

Hi

I am going slightly insane with this question I have!

"A neutron contains two down quarks at a separation of approximately 10^−15 m. Calculate the strength in Newtons of the electrical force between two down quarks at a separation of 1.0 × 10^-15 m."

Now I have used F= k x (Q1 x Q2 / r (squared))

so...

F = 9 x 10^9 x ((1/3) x (-1.6 x 10^-19 C))(squared) / (1.0 x 10^-15 m )(squared)

and I get 25.6 N

Im pretty sure this is wrong, I am sure its much higher than that.

Could anybody tell me where I am going wrong please.

Thanks

Danny
 
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Danny523 said:
Hi

I am going slightly insane with this question I have!

"A neutron contains two down quarks at a separation of approximately 10^−15 m. Calculate the strength in Newtons of the electrical force between two down quarks at a separation of 1.0 × 10^-15 m."

Now I have used F= k x (Q1 x Q2 / r (squared))

so...

F = 9 x 10^9 x ((1/3) x (-1.6 x 10^-19 C))(squared) / (1.0 x 10^-15 m )(squared)

and I get 25.6 N

Im pretty sure this is wrong, I am sure its much higher than that.

Could anybody tell me where I am going wrong please.

Thanks

Danny
I agree with your answer. Why do you think it should be much higher? We are talking about something with an extremely small mass, so this force is really enormous.

AM
 


Thanks for your reply,

I am questioning my answer because the next question of my assignment says this...

"Book 7 page 121 states that the strong force between two quarks ‘is equivalent to the weight of a 10-tonne truck’. Calculate the weight of a 10-tonne truck and compare this weight with the electrostatic force between the two down quarks in a neutron"

Ive seen example questions which come out with an answer much much larger, but the examples didnt show working. I am really confused. I am pretty sure my figures are right, just not the answer. I am confuuuuused!
 


Danny523 said:
Thanks for your reply,

I am questioning my answer because the next question of my assignment says this...

"Book 7 page 121 states that the strong force between two quarks ‘is equivalent to the weight of a 10-tonne truck’. Calculate the weight of a 10-tonne truck and compare this weight with the electrostatic force between the two down quarks in a neutron"

Ive seen example questions which come out with an answer much much larger, but the examples didnt show working. I am really confused. I am pretty sure my figures are right, just not the answer. I am confuuuuused!
You were asked to find the electrostatic force between two quarks, not the nuclear force. The nuclear force between two quarks is much, much stronger. It is the nuclear force may be equivalent to the weight of a ten tonne truck.

Furthermore, since the two down quarks have the same charge (-1/3 e) the force between them is repulsive, so it works against the nuclear force between them (which, like gravity, is attractive).

AM
 


Ahhhhh ok, I think it has just become clearer to me now!

Thank you so much!

Danny
 


Hi Danny, how was the feedbackt from your tutor to the previous two questions of your assignment? I am actually in your same position, trying to understand how the repulsive electric force of two down quarks could be compared to the weight (gravitational force) of a 10 tonne truck. Does anybody have any suggestion to add? Thanks!
 


Orion78 said:
Hi Danny, how was the feedbackt from your tutor to the previous two questions of your assignment? I am actually in your same position, trying to understand how the repulsive electric force of two down quarks could be compared to the weight (gravitational force) of a 10 tonne truck. Does anybody have any suggestion to add? Thanks!

Hey, I don't think I still have the feedback from this assignment, it was quite a while ago, but I shall have a look and get back to you if I find it.
 

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