Formation of a Starting Vortex for Symmetric Aerofoils (NACA 0015)

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The discussion centers on the formation of a starting vortex for symmetric aerofoils, specifically the NACA 0015, and its implications for lift generation at zero angle of attack (AoA). Participants explore the relationship between airflow, pressure distribution, and vortex formation in the context of aerodynamic principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that symmetric aerofoils do not generate lift at a zero angle of attack due to an equal pressure distribution on both sides, questioning the role of the starting vortex in this phenomenon.
  • Another participant suggests that the pressure profile is influenced by the velocity of air molecules from the stagnation point to the trailing edge, indicating a relationship between airflow and pressure distribution.
  • Some participants introduce the idea of using flaps or ailerons to control lift and maneuverability, implying that these devices may play a role in modifying airflow characteristics.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about the conditions necessary for the formation of the starting vortex and its connection to lift generation in symmetric airfoils.

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Participants express differing views on the role of the starting vortex and pressure distribution in lift generation at zero angle of attack for symmetric aerofoils. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of aerodynamic principles, including the dependence on specific conditions such as angle of attack and airflow characteristics. Assumptions about the behavior of symmetric aerofoils and the formation of vortices are not fully explored.

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Aerodynamics enthusiasts, students studying fluid dynamics, and professionals in aerospace engineering may find this discussion relevant to their interests in lift generation and airflow behavior around aerofoils.

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Question regarding lift force on a symmetric aerofoil
Greetings!

An aerofoil experiences life because the velocity of flow at the top surface of the airfoil is higher, causing a pressure difference. This higher velocity is attained as a consequence of the conservation of angular momentum due to the formation of a starting vortex at the trailing edge of an aerofoil. However, I have read that symmetric aerofoils (like the NACA 0015) do not generate lift at a 0 angle of attack. Why is this so? Is it because there is no starting vortex at zero angle of attack for symmetric foils? And if so, why? What determines the formation of the strating vortex and subsequent lift genaration?
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Symmetric airfoils facing airflow at zero AOA induce an exactly equal pressure distribution profile (amount of disturbance to the molecules of air) on each side.

That pressure profile is a reflection of the ways in which the velocity of the molecules in contact with each surface varies from the stagnation point (at the leading edge) all the way to the trailing edge of the wing.

The vertical stabilizer of any airplane is a good example of this.
Please, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_stabilizer

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Uh, fit flaps / ailerons and/or analogous devices ?
Given you need such to control the wannabe lawn-dart in absence of thrust vectoring etc...
Or have I misunderstood the question ??
 
Nik_2213 said:
Uh, fit flaps / ailerons and/or analogous devices ?
Given you need such to control the wannabe lawn-dart in absence of thrust vectoring etc...
Or have I misunderstood the question ??
I was just curious about the formation of the starting vortex in symmetric airfoils, and how it may explain why symmetric foils show 0 lift at 0 AoA. Thanks!
 
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