The Principle of the Helicopter

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the principles of helicopter flight, including the mechanics of rotor systems, lift generation, and the design of rotor blades. Participants explore both theoretical aspects and practical experiences related to helicopters and their operation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe how the airfoil effect in fixed-wing aircraft generates lift through differences in air pressure above and below the wings.
  • Others, including RC-helicopter pilots, explain that helicopters maintain a constant rotor speed and adjust pitch to control lift, highlighting the asymmetrical and symmetrical blade designs.
  • A participant questions how rotor blades do not collide with each other, leading to clarifications about their synchronized motion and design similarities to baking beaters.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the traditional explanation of lift generation, arguing that lift is produced by the downward deflection of air rather than the creation of a vacuum above the wing.
  • Another participant notes the advantages of certain rotor arrangements, such as allowing for clamshell doors on the fuselage for easier loading and unloading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanics of lift generation, with some supporting traditional explanations while others challenge them. The discussion includes both agreement on certain operational principles of helicopters and unresolved debates about the physics of lift.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about lift generation depend on specific definitions and assumptions about airflow and pressure differences, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

  • #31
BadBrain said:
Seeing as that explanation is as wrong as I now realize it to be, why is it so widely taught?

Well it is only partially wrong. It is true that there is a faster flow over the top and so a lower pressure and that you can directly calculate lift from those pressures. The part that is often taught incorrectly is why the air moves over the top faster. Usually it is either taught very superficially, incorrectly or just outright omitted. I can only imagine that to be due to the fact that it isn't a simple matter. Most sources you mentioned are simply catered to people who aren't at the level yet where the real reasons would make any sense.
 
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  • #32
cmb said:
I have not flown such helicopters but I seem to recall the stabiliser bar is sometimes dubbed a 'Chinaman's Hat'? Don't take that as a fact unless someone can corroborate it, maybe that was just a 'local' nick-name I over-heard, or mis-heard.
Do you mean the fly bars?

Vidar
 
  • #33
I don't understand what you mean by 'fly bars'.

The horizontal stick with masses at the ends is a rotor stabiliser that rotates with the rotor. The cyclic loads of the blades are set to work against each other through the hub mechanisms, and the stabiliser bar damps those cyclic oscillations. The more blades you have, the more the rotor self-damps, but with just two blades the manufacturers have, clearly, found that to be useful.
 

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