Formula for delta star in capacitors

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The discussion revolves around finding the equivalent capacitance using delta-star conversion in capacitors. Participants are exploring the application of delta-star transformations, which are typically associated with resistances, to capacitive circuits.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss using the AC impedance of capacitors and how it relates to delta-star conversion. There are attempts to derive formulas for equivalent capacitance based on the configuration of capacitors. Questions arise about converting between impedance and capacitance and the role of frequency in these calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing different approaches and questioning the assumptions behind the transformations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the algebra involved in the conversion process, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive method.

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There is mention of using specific values for frequency to simplify calculations, and participants are considering the implications of treating capacitors similarly to resistors in their transformations.

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Homework Statement



How to find out the equivalent capacitance using delta star conversion?


Homework Equations



Delta star conversion formula of capacitors

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Using the formula of resistors but not coming.What is the formula of delta star in capacitors?
 
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The slow way to do it is from first principles.

The quick way is to use the AC impedance of a capacitor, which is ##\displaystyle \frac{1}{j\omega C}##, which can be treated like a resistance, then apply the delta-star conversion formula to it and see what you end up with. Remember to convert the final impedance you get back to a capacitance by reversing the formula.
 
The delta-star transformations work for more than simple resistance - they work for any impedance.

So just convert the capacitances to impedances ... and use the formulas for resistors.

Then convert the impedances back into capacitances.
 
Curious3141 said:
The slow way to do it is from first principles.

The quick way is to use the AC impedance of a capacitor, which is ##\displaystyle \frac{1}{j\omega C}##, which can be treated like a resistance, then apply the delta-star conversion formula to it and see what you end up with. Remember to convert the final impedance you get back to a capacitance by reversing the formula.

Hi Curious3141,
quick run down... C1 across b and c, C2 across c and a, C3 across a and b.
I'm trying to derive the formula for Ca in terms of C1, C2 and C3.
If these capacitors were resistances the formula would be Ra=(R2R3/R1+R2+R3) (I think ?)
there for if capacitors.. 1/ωCa=(1/ωC2*1/ωC3)/(1/ωC1+1/ωC2+1/ωC3). (??)
How do I convert this back to capacitance so I just have Ca=...?
 
Greg Arnald said:
there for if capacitors.. 1/ωCa=(1/ωC2*1/ωC3)/(1/ωC1+1/ωC2+1/ωC3). (??)
How do I convert this back to capacitance so I just have Ca=...?
Looks like it's just a bit of algebra. Logically, you know that ω should ultimately play no role in the capacitance values you obtain, so it should cancel out along the way. Might as well just eliminate it from the start (or choose a convenient working frequency such as ω = 1). That may make things less cluttered looking.
 

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