Capacitor with dielectric as spring

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The problem involves a capacitor formed by two parallel metal plates with an elastic dielectric pad in between. The task is to determine the fractional change in the gap between the plates when a voltage is applied, considering the dielectric's spring constant.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the energy stored in the capacitor to the energy associated with the spring, but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their approach.
  • Some participants question the validity of equating changes in electric field energy with changes in spring energy, suggesting a focus on the forces involved.
  • Others propose an energy balance approach that includes contributions from the battery, indicating a more complex interaction between the capacitor and the dielectric.
  • One participant provides a series of equations derived from the problem setup, aiming to clarify the relationship between charge, capacitance, and displacement.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for an energy balance approach, while others have pointed out potential errors in the original poster's reasoning. There is no explicit consensus yet on the correct method to solve the problem.

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Homework Statement


Two parallel plates of metal sandwich a dielectric pad of thickness d, forming an ideal
capacitor of capacitance C. The dielectric pad is elastic, having a spring constant k. If an
ideal battery of voltage V across its terminals is connected to the two plates of this
capacitor, the fractional change $ \frac{\delta{d}}{d} $ in the gap between the plates is

Homework Equations


$$C=\frac{\epsilon{A}}{d}$$
$$U=\frac{1}{2}CV^2$$
$$U=\frac{1}{2}k\delta{d}^2$$

The Attempt at a Solution



The Capacitance of the capacitor is $U=\frac{1}{2}CV^2$, when the dielectric is elastic the workdone in compressing/elongating the material of spring constant 'k' is $U=\frac{1}{2}k\delta{d}^2$, the fractional change in the energy of the capacitor is $\frac{1}{2}CV^2-\frac{1}{2}k\delta{d}^2$, I don't know what I have done is correct or not and I don't know how proceed from here as well. Please tell me whether my approach is not correct or give me a hint to solve the problem.
 
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I am pretty sure that you cannot equate change in electric field energy to change in spring energy. Perhaps the way to approach is to look at the force exerted on the plates, by the electric field.
 
Tricky problem since you must consider the fact that the battery gives or absorbs (you decide) energy also. So the energy balance equation is
old field energy + contributed battery energy + work done by force = new field energy + spring energy.
Hint: battery energy added = V ΔQ.

PS I couldn't decipher your latex in your section "The attempt at a solution".
 
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Due to presence of voltage V, the force between the plates of the capacitor will be equal to the restoring force of the dielectric pad of spring constant k. The dielectric displaces by a fractional distance ∆d(∆ represents small change)
Therefore the equation is,
Q^2/2A€ = k∆d (1)

Also, Q=CV (2)

Therefore, eqn(1) implies-
(CV)^2 = 2k∆d×A€ (3)
Also, C=A€/d (4)

Therefore, eqn(3) implies-
(CV)^2 = 2k∆d ×Cd
Dividing both sides by d^2, we get
(1/2 CV^2)/d^2 = k∆d/d

=> ∆d/d = (1/2CV^2)/kd^2.

€ stands for epsilon. Sorry couldn't find the right notation for epsilon.
I hope this helps.
 
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Hello ftRohan,

Welcome to Pysics Forums!

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