Formula for Microsoft Excel®'s FV function?

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The discussion revolves around finding a formula that replicates the results of Microsoft Excel®'s FV (Future Value) function. Participants explore various mathematical formulations and their applicability, particularly in the context of different compounding periods and the inclusion of payments.

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  • One participant seeks a formula that matches Excel®'s FV function, noting discrepancies with other formulas found online.
  • Another participant proposes a formula for FV that works when payments are zero, but expresses uncertainty about how to incorporate payments and handle different compounding frequencies.
  • A third participant provides a derivation of the FV formula using geometric series, suggesting it aligns with Excel®'s calculations for payments made at the end of each term.
  • One participant questions the relevance of the geometric series explanation, suggesting that standard financial formulas should be the focus instead.
  • Several participants share links to resources that may assist in understanding or applying the FV function.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to replicate Excel®'s FV function, with multiple competing views and formulas presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the incorporation of payments and varying compounding periods.

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Some formulas discussed may depend on specific assumptions about compounding frequency and payment timing, which are not fully resolved in the conversation.

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Formula for Microsoft Excel®'s FV function??

Hi:

I'm trying to find a formula that will return the same results as Microsoft Excel®'s FV function.
I've found several Future Value functions on the Internet but none return the same answer as Excel® (or even close).
I noticed also that Excel®'s FV function requires both a Present Value and a Payment. I can't find any FV formulas that require both.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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I am currently investigating the same function. I am working with the formula:
FV(n) = PV(1 + r/n)Yn (Yn should be in super-script)

or in excel, using excels FV variables:
FV = pv*POWER(1+rate,nper)

This formula agrees with the excel FV when the "pmt" is 0. Also note that "type" is irrelevant when "pmt" is 0. I'm working on finding formula including pmt and will post if you reply.

I have another issue with the formula. It does not appear that it allows for compound interest other than for an annually. i.e. The formula works fine for a 3 year period compounding annaully, but what if I want to calculate monthly or quarterly compounding?
 
This is often taught in high-school here as a application of geomentric series.

The derivation goes like this.

Using the notation :
r = 1 + interest_rate_per_term_as_decimal
p = present value
a = payment per term
eot1 denotes the FV at end of term 1 etc.

eot1: rp + a
eot2: r(rp + a) + a = r^2p + ra + a
eot3: r(r^2p + ra + a) + a = r^3p + r^2a + ra + a
...
eotn: r^np + (r^(n-1) + r^(n-2) + ... 1)a = p r^n + a (r^n - 1)/(r-1)

That is,
FV = p r^n + a (r^n - 1)/(r-1).
This is precisely what exel computes for the case of payments made at the end of each term (payment type = 0). It's easy enough to repeat the calculations as above for the case of payments made at the beginning of each term.
 
hmmmm... Thanks for the high-school math lesson, but I don't think that was the point of the question. There are some standard equations in the accounting and/or finance arena, and I think MAtkins was just trying to relate them to the FV function of Excel… or at least that’s what I was trying to do. (Maybe this is the wrong forum for this question)

The std formulas are related to Compound Interest (Future Value):
Investment without payments
FVn = P(1 + r/n)Yn

Investment with payments starting at end of 1st period
FVn = P(1 + r/n)Yn + c[((1 + r/n)Yn ) - 1) / r/n]

Investment with payments starting at beginning of 1st period
FVn = P(1 + r/n)Yn + c[((1 + r/n)Yn + 1 - (1 + r/n) ) / r/n]

Anyway, I have a spreadsheet that relates the above std formula’s to Excel’s FV function if anyone’s interested. My guess is MAtkins figured it out and moved on.
 


Isn't this what you're looking for?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/214005#appliesto
 
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