Fourier Transform of Dirac Comb/Impulse Train

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The discussion revolves around the Fourier Transform of the Dirac Comb, also known as an impulse train. Participants explore the mathematical derivation of the Fourier Transform, the transition from Fourier series to Fourier Transform, and the equivalence of different representations of the Dirac Comb in the frequency domain.

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  • One participant presents the definition of the Dirac Comb and attempts to derive its Fourier Transform, questioning why a direct application of the Fourier Transform does not yield the expected results.
  • Another participant points out an error in the notation of the Fourier Transform expression, specifically the inclusion of "dt" in the equation.
  • Some participants argue that the expressions [1] and [3] are equivalent and provide reasoning based on the periodicity of the Dirac Comb and its representation as a Fourier series.
  • There is a discussion about the Fourier definition of the delta function and its role in the transition from the Fourier series representation to the Fourier Transform.
  • A later reply clarifies that the Fourier series representation should have a specific periodicity, leading to a new expression that includes the coefficients from the Fourier series.
  • One participant seeks clarification on the equivalence of two expressions, noting a discrepancy in the sign of the exponent but suggesting that the range of summation may resolve the issue.

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Participants express differing views on the equivalence of certain expressions and the correct application of Fourier series and transforms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of the transition between the various forms and the implications of the definitions used.

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Participants note potential confusion stemming from notation and the definitions of Fourier series and transforms, as well as the assumptions regarding periodicity and the properties of the delta function.

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Terocamo
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With Dirac Comb is defined as follow:
$$III(t)=\sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty\delta(t-nT)$$
Fourier Transform from t domain to frequency domain can be obtained by:
$$F(f)=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(t)\cdot e^{-i2\pi ft}dt$$
I wonder why directly apply the above equation does not work for the Dirac Comb:
$$F(III(t))=\sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\delta(t-nT)\cdot e^{i2\pi ft}dt$$
$$III(f)=\sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty e^{-i2\pi fnT}dt\cdots\cdots [1]$$
Where the correct way to obtain the FT of Dirac Comb is to first find the Fourier series, and then do the Fourier Transform for each term in the summation.
Writing III(t) as Fourier Series:
$$III(t)=\frac{1}{T}\sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty e^{i2\pi nt/T}$$
Doing Fourier Transform:
$$III(f)=\frac{1}{T}\sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{i2\pi nt/T}\cdot e^{-i2\pi ft} dt\cdots\cdots [2]$$
$$III(f)=\frac{1}{T}\sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty\delta(f-\frac{n}{T})\cdots\cdots [3]$$

I copied the upper section from a open lecture slide, and I don't even understand how it goes from [2] to [3], not to mention [1] and [3] are totally not the same thing. Any hints guys?
 
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Terocamo said:
$$III(f)=\sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty e^{-i2\pi fnT}dt\cdots\cdots [1]$$
The ##dt## shouldn't be there.
Terocamo said:
[1] and [3] are totally not the same thing.
They are equivalent. To see this, consider a function ##f(x) = \sum_n \delta (x-na)##. This is a periodic function with periodicity ##a##, which means it can be expanded in Fourier series. So
$$
f(x) = \sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty} \delta (x-na) = \sum_{k=-\infty}^{\infty} c_k \hspace{0.5mm}e^{-i2\pi x/a}
$$
Find ##c_k## and you will see that [1] and [3] are equivalent.
Terocamo said:
I don't even understand how it goes from [2] to [3]
That's the Fourier definition of delta function
$$
\delta(x-a) = \frac{1}{2\pi} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{ik(x-a)} \hspace{1mm} dk
$$
 
blue_leaf77 said:
They are equivalent. To see this, consider a function ##f(x) = \sum_n \delta (x-na)##. This is a periodic function with periodicity ##a##, which means it can be expanded in Fourier series. So
$$
f(x) = \sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty} \delta (x-na) = \sum_{k=-\infty}^{\infty} c_k \hspace{0.5mm}e^{-i2\pi x/a}
$$
Find ##c_k## and you will see that [1] and [3] are equivalent.

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Oh I get it, with III(f) having a period of 1/T, the Fourier series should write:
$$\frac{1}{T}\sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty\delta(f-\frac{n}{T})=\sum_{k=-\infty}^\infty c_k\cdot e^{i2\pi kfT}\cdots\cdots[4]$$
$$c_k= T\cdot\int_{0}^{1/T} \sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty\delta(f-\frac{n}{T}) \cdot e^{-i2\pi kfT}=1$$

Putting c_k=1 back to [4] results in:
$$\sum_{k=-\infty}^\infty e^{i2\pi kfT} = \text{(1)}$$

Just to clear my concept, s this equivalent to (1) since the exponent missed out a -ve sign, but k ranged from -inf to inf so its just the same?
 
Terocamo said:
$$\frac{1}{T}\sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty\delta(f-\frac{n}{T})=\sum_{k=-\infty}^\infty c_k\cdot e^{i2\pi kfT}\cdots\cdots[4]$$
The used definition for Fourier series in complex form is to use negative exponent.
 

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