Fractional Calculus: Integration & Differentiation Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around fractional calculus, specifically the integration and differentiation of arbitrary or fractional orders. Participants express confusion regarding the geometric meaning of fractional derivatives and integrations, exploring potential interpretations and connections to fractals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the geometric meaning of fractional derivatives, questioning how a 1/2th derivative can be described.
  • Another participant notes that there may be no geometric interpretation for derivatives of fractional order.
  • A different participant introduces the idea that for every power of fractional derivative, there exists a fractal function whose fractional derivative at that order is a constant, equal to the fractal dimension of the curve.
  • This same participant suggests that fractional calculus could be better termed non-integer calculus, as the index of the differential operator can be any complex value.
  • Another participant expresses surprise at the connection between fractals and fractional calculus, finding it interesting.
  • A later reply provides a link to a resource that may offer useful information regarding geometric interpretations of fractional integration and differentiation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the geometric interpretation of fractional derivatives, with some asserting that no interpretation exists while others propose connections to fractals. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature and implications of fractional calculus.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about geometric interpretations and the definitions of fractional derivatives. The exploration of fractal functions and their relationship to fractional calculus introduces additional complexity that remains unresolved.

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I am interested in fractional Calculus which means integration and differentiation of an arbitrary or fractional order. But I am confused about the geometric meaning. We know that 1st derivative gives us a slope but what about 1/2th derivative. How can we describe this kind of derivatives or integrations?
 
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Welcome to PF forums deepurple.

I hope people'll take the time to respond.
 
Hello. As far as I know there is no geometric interpretation for a derivative of fractional order.
 
luisgml_2000 said:
Hello. As far as I know there is no geometric interpretation for a derivative of fractional order.

It turns out that for every power of fractional derivative there is a fractal function whose fractional derivative at that order is a constant, equal to the fractal dimension of the curve!

By a fractal function I mean a Weistrauss type continuous function that is nowhere differentiable in the traditional sense and which has a non-integer dimension in the sense of Hausdorf.

Incidentally fractional-calculus should be called non-integer calculus, since the index of the differential operator can be any complex value! A further generalization is possible by considering functions of the differential operator that cannot be represented as polynomials, i.e. F(d/dx), the most common of which is exp(d/dx), which acts as translation by one unit on real-valued functions:

e^{\frac{d}{dx}}f(x) = f(x + 1)

I always vote for this one to go on the t-shirts instead of e^{i pi} + 1 = 0.
 
ExactlySolved said:
It turns out that for every power of fractional derivative there is a fractal function whose fractional derivative at that order is a constant, equal to the fractal dimension of the curve!

Wow. I would never have imagined that fractals and fractional (or 'complex order') calculus have anything to do. It's quite interesting.
 
Hello,
I know this thread is very old, but perhaps http://www.maa.org/joma/Volume7/Podlubny/GIFI.html" might provide useful information related to geometric interpretations of fractional integration/derivative to anyone coming upon this page.
 
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