Frames of Reference: Find the speed and heading of the airplane

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving frames of reference, specifically calculating the speed and heading of an airplane traveling from City A to City B, which is located 300 km northwest. Participants are exploring vector addition and the implications of wind on the airplane's course.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the airplane's speed, with one noting a derived speed of 400 km/h. There are attempts to draw diagrams representing velocity vectors, and questions arise about the correct labeling and relationships between these vectors. Some participants express uncertainty about angles and the implications of wind direction on the airplane's heading.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on vector addition and questioning assumptions about the vectors involved. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the labeling of vectors and the definitions of terms like "air speed" and "wind speed." Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and participants are encouraged to clarify their diagrams and calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential confusion regarding the terms used for the vectors, particularly whether "v_{wing}" should be "v_{wind}." Participants are also considering the implications of a headwind on the airplane's required speed and heading.

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Homework Statement
pilot is flying from City A to City B which is 300 km [NW]. If the plane will encounter a constant wind of 80 km/h from the north and the schedule insists that he complete his trip in 0.75 h, what air speed and heading should the plane have?
Relevant Equations
V=d/t
Vg= Vair +Vwing
so far what i have gotten to is that 300/0.75 = 400km/h but I dont know how to draw the diagram for this
 
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would it be like this?
diagram fof.jpg
 
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ahira said:
so far what i have gotten to is that 300/0.75 = 400km/h but I dont know how to draw the diagram for this
ahira said:
would it be like this?
'like this' is a good description, but some improvement is in order:
  • heading AB is ##\pi/4##
  • you write ##v_g = v_{air} + v_{wing} ##, but you draw ##v_{wing}= =v_g - v_{air}##. That's fine, but somewhat confusing, especially if you don't label the vectors.
So far, so good; now perform the actual calculation :smile:

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BvU said:
'like this' is a good description, but some improvement is in order:
  • heading AB is π/4
  • you write vg=vair+vwing, but you draw vwing==vg−vair. That's fine, but somewhat confusing, especially if you don't label the vectors.
So far, so good; now perform the actual calculation :smile:
IMG_3659.jpg

I Changed the diagram and realized that North West sits on an angle of 45 degrees so therefore the angle between the Northline and A should be 45 degrees. I'm not that sure but should the angle at B be 45 degrees as well due to alternate angles ?
 
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City A to City B which is 300 km [NW]
So vector AB should correspond to the ground speed with a heading of 45 degrees west of north and magnitude 400 km/h. As you wrote$$v_g = v_{air} + v_{wing}$$but now your drawing shows vector AC (a.k.a.##\ \ v_{wing}\ \ ##) as ##v_g + v_{air}## !!

Lean back a little and use common sense: with a headwind your course should be aiming upwind of A !

And you can also reasonably expect that you need to make more speed than the 400 km/h ('AC should be longer than AB')

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Sorry for the dumb question, but should ##v_{wing}## be ##v_{wind}## in all of the posts above (including the OP's)?
 
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BvU said:
somewhat confusing, especially if you don't label the vectors.
I feel dumb for taking ##v_{air} = ## 80 km/h from the north (the speed OF the air :rolleyes:), when - most likely -@ahira perhaps meant ##v_{air} = ## the speed WRT the air.

So what about
ahira said:
Relevant Equations:
Vg= Vair +Vwing
and the picture in #3 ?

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