Transforming Fields in Inertial and Rotating Frames

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The discussion centers on the classification of reference frames in the context of General Relativity (GR) and Newtonian mechanics, specifically addressing whether an orbiting frame around Earth is inertial. It concludes that while a freely falling frame is not considered inertial in Newtonian mechanics due to centripetal acceleration, it is locally inertial in GR, allowing the application of special relativity. The conversation also explores the complexities of transforming electric (E) and magnetic (B) fields between inertial and non-inertial rotating frames, emphasizing the presence of fictitious currents in rotating frames.

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If I am in orbit around Earth that means that I am in constant free-fall around earth.
Is this an inertial reference frame?
 
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I do not believe you are. An inertial reference frame is one in which there is no acceleration. Here you have a centripetal acceleration due to gravity.
 
In the Newtonian framework no, a freely falling frame is not inertial because it is accelerating with respect to some fixed background inertial frame. In the GR framework, a freely falling frame is locally inertial.
 
so it would be considered inertial, then I could use special relativity in that frame
 
In Newtonian mechanics it is not an inertial frame (however you can still do Newtonian mechanics in this frame as long as you transform to the frame correctly). In GR, it is locally an inertial frame and locally you can do SR.
 
cragar said:
so it would be considered inertial, then I could use special relativity in that frame
Locally, yes.
 
ok here is a question I have had for a while related to that. Let's say there is a charged spherical shell around me and the earth, and I am orbiting the earth, and the charged spherical shell is rotating with me at a constant
\omega so relative to me the charged spherical shell is not moving and the shell is just slightly at a larger radius than me. But to someone standing on Earth the shell is rotating, and in their frame this will produce a B field that points up and is constant. what's going on.
 
Actually even when you are in the frame of an observer rotating exactly with the (slowly) rotating shell of charge, there will be a non-zero magnetic field observed in the rotating frame due to fictitious currents. You have to be careful about how ##E## and ##B## fields transform from inertial frames to rotating frames, which are non-inertial. It is not as simple as transforming the fields from one inertial frame to another. For a detailed calculation of the scenario you described, see here: http://www.hep.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/examples/rotatingshell.pdf
 

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