Freezing Light: Exploring the Equilibrium of Mass and Energy in Photons

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "freezing light" and the relationship between mass and energy in photons. Participants explore whether photons can be considered to have mass and energy in equilibrium, the implications of this for the speed of light, and the processes involved in maintaining such a balance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of "mass and energy in perfect equilibrium" and suggests that the term "equilibrium" has a specific definition in physics.
  • Another participant proposes that equilibrium refers to a balance between mass and energy within a photon, suggesting that if the mass were too high, it would prevent the photon from traveling at light speed.
  • Some participants emphasize that photons have zero rest mass, raising questions about the implications of this for the concept of equilibrium.
  • A recurring suggestion is to relate the discussion to the equation E=mc², positing that the energy of a photon maintains a state of equilibrium with its mass, albeit a very small mass.
  • There is mention of the phenomenon where light appears to travel slower in a medium, attributed to scattering effects rather than an intrinsic change in the speed of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the concept of equilibrium in relation to mass and energy in photons. There is no consensus on whether photons can be said to have mass or how the concept of freezing light fits into the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the limitations of using the term "equilibrium" without a clear definition, and there is ambiguity regarding the implications of photons having zero rest mass on the proposed concepts.

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Is it possible to freeze light? What does frozen light 'look like'?

Are photons examples of mass and energy in perfect equilibrium?

Do processes take place within photons to maintain a perfect balance between mass and energy, and if so what are those processes and how do they relate to E=mc2 if the light has been frozen?
 
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I have no idea what is meant by "mass and energy in perfect equilibrium". The term "equilibrium" has a specific meaning in physics. I'm not sure how you are using it.

Zz.
 
By equilibrium, I mean matter and energy within the photon maintaining a state of balance relative to one another, such that the photons mass cannot exceed for example a Planck unit.

If the mass of the photon were too high, that would prevent the photon from traveling at light speed.

So I use the term equilibrium not as a term of art, but to describe some sort of balancing act going on between the mass and energy in the photon, so as to allow something with mass to travel at light speed.
 
Being more precise about equilibrium, why not call it E=mc2, where the energy in the photon maintains a perfect state of equilibrium with its mass x C x C. That would be a tiny mass and a lot of energy.
 
paul turbine said:
Is it possible to freeze light? What does frozen light 'look like'?

Are photons examples of mass and energy in perfect equilibrium?

Do processes take place within photons to maintain a perfect balance between mass and energy, and if so what are those processes and how do they relate to E=mc2 if the light has been frozen?

Photon has zero rest mass, not sure what you mean...
 
paul turbine said:
Being more precise about equilibrium, why not call it E=mc2, where the energy in the photon maintains a perfect state of equilibrium with its mass x C x C. That would be a tiny mass and a lot of energy.

Please read the PF FAQ thread in the General Physics forum.

Zz.
 
paul turbine said:
Being more precise about equilibrium, why not call it E=mc2, where the energy in the photon maintains a perfect state of equilibrium with its mass x C x C. That would be a tiny mass and a lot of energy.

Photons have no mass and can always be said to travel at the speed of light in a vacuum (c). The fact that light can be slower in a medium is an artifact of the accumulated delay associated with scattering effects rather than some actual intrinsic "slowing" of light.
 

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