Freq response of forced sinusoidal motion:

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The forum discussion centers on the derivation of the response of an electron to an applied sinusoidal field, specifically addressing the equations presented in a book. The initial equation for the response is given as 1/[1 + 2i (w - wa)/g] = 1 / (1 + i delta), where w is the induced frequency, wa is the resonance frequency, and g is the damping constant. The confusion arises when squaring this equation to derive the amplitude squared or power response, which is stated as 1/[1 + {2 (w - wa)/g}²] = 1 / (1 + delta²). The user questions the validity of this transformation, suggesting an alternative form of 1 / (1 + 2i delta - delta²) and seeks clarification on any missing assumptions.

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The book I am currently reading derives the response of an electron to an applied sinusoidal field as:

1/[1 + 2i (w - wa)/g] = 1 / (1 + i delta)

where w and wa are the induced and resonance response frequencies and g the damping constant.

And delta = 2 (w - wa)/g

Up to this point there is no problem. But the book then states that the amplitude squared or power response has the form:

1/[1 + {2 (w - wa)/g}2 ] = 1 / (1 + delta2)

And here is the problem... if you square the first equations listed you don't get what they give as the power response. I think the answer should be:

1 / (1 + 2 i delta - delta2)

Is there some assumption I am missing, its not just the imaginary term is missing the sign is wrong for the squared term??

Thanks for any help!
 
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For complex amplitudes, one squares the absolute value of the amplitude to get the power response.
 
:redface: Thanks!
 

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