Frequency of Greatest Integer quotients

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the frequency of greatest integer quotients in the context of finding potential factors of an integer. Participants explore the implications of a proposed method for predicting these quotients and its effectiveness in factorization, including observations about symmetry in the spacing of factors.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a method to predict the frequency of the greatest integer function quotient to identify potential factors of an integer.
  • Another participant points out a limitation of the algorithm, noting that it evaluates to 1 for certain values, which does not reduce the number of factors that need to be inspected.
  • A participant acknowledges the initial observation as interesting and considers modifications to improve the method.
  • Another participant observes a potential symmetry in the spacing between factors identified by the method, suggesting it could be useful if validated.
  • One participant expresses a lack of immediate applications for the observation but remains interested in the concept of symmetric spacing of factors.
  • A request for a good algorithm for finding factors between two numbers is made, indicating a practical interest in the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of interest and skepticism regarding the proposed method and its implications. There is no consensus on the effectiveness of the method or its practical applications, and multiple competing views remain regarding its utility.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the proposed algorithm, particularly regarding its efficiency and the conditions under which it operates. There are unresolved questions about the significance of the observed symmetry in factor spacing.

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Readers interested in number theory, factorization algorithms, and mathematical observations related to integer quotients may find this discussion relevant.

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When looking for potential factors of an integer, I noticed that I could predict the frequency of the greatest integer function quotient and use this prediction to jump to the next potential factor. See the attachment for an example. I don't know if someone else had already discovered this, but I thought that it was cool.
 

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The problem with the algorithm is that N/H-N/(H+1) will always evaluate to 1 for k<sqrt(N), so it will make you inspect all potential factors up to sqrt(N). Which are all the potential factors you need to inspect anyway.
 
You have a point. I think that it's still an interesting observation, but let me think on it and I may be able to find a modification that will improve the method.
 
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Thanks for making me take another look, because I can already see something else that is interesting. If I look at the spacing between actual factors found by my method, there seems to be a symmetry. If this is real, then it could be useful.
 

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Nothing comes to me yet. I'll just put it in my back pocket and maybe I'll find a use for it someday. Sorry, I was more interested in just sharing my observation than looking at how it could be applied, so I didn't catch that it didn't save any work in finding factors.

Finding the factors between two numbers is a real problem that I sometimes have to deal with, so if anyone knows a good algorithm, let me know.

As for as the frequency of greatest integer quotients and the way that it pulls in all of the factors so that they are symmetrically spaced, I still think that it's interesting.
 

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