Friedmann-Lemaitre-Robertson-Walker model

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the stability analysis of the Friedmann-Lemaître-Robertson-Walker (FLRW) model, particularly focusing on the identification of equilibrium points and the application of Lyapunov functions. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to cosmological models.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to find equilibrium points of the FLRW model by setting time derivatives to zero, questioning if this leads to a(t) equaling zero.
  • Another participant asserts that FLRW models do not have equilibrium points, as the scale factor is always changing.
  • A subsequent reply confirms that a(t) is never zero in any FLRW model.
  • Concerns are raised about conducting stability analysis without equilibrium points, questioning the ability to determine trajectory convergence or divergence.
  • Some participants discuss the historical context of the cosmological constant and its relation to static universes, noting that such cases may allow for a form of equilibrium.
  • There is a mention of Minkowski space as a pathological case that fits the FLRW form but does not represent a typical scenario.
  • One participant emphasizes that the discussion should be at a graduate level, suggesting that basic questions should not arise in advanced threads.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the existence of equilibrium points in the FLRW model, with some asserting their absence while others reference special cases that might allow for equilibrium. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications for stability analysis.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about equilibrium points and the applicability of Lyapunov functions in the context of FLRW models. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions of equilibrium and stability in cosmological contexts.

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stability analysis of the FLRW model using the Lyapunov direct function
I am a math student conducting a study on the stability analysis of the FLRW model using the Lyapunov direct function. To do that, I need to find the equilibrium points of FLRW and create a Lyapunov function to carry out the study. Do i find the equilibrium points by setting time derivatives to zero so that a(t) equals 0?
 
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Nicole01 said:
the equilibrium points of FLRW
An FLRW model doesn't have any equilbrium points. The scale factor is always changing in any FLRW model.
 
Nicole01 said:
so that a(t) equals 0?
a(t) is never zero in any FLRW model.
 
Then how do I conduct stability analysis using lyapunovs function if I don't have equilibrium points to conclude whether the trajectories converge or diverge
 
PeterDonis said:
An FLRW model doesn't have any equilbrium points. The scale factor is always changing in any FLRW model.
Making a static universe is literally why Einstein originally introduced the cosmological constant. Then you have pathological cases such as Minkowski space, which is technically on FLRW form.
 
Orodruin said:
Making a static universe is literally why Einstein originally introduced the cosmological constant. Then you have pathological cases such as Minkowski space, which is technically on FLRW form.
Yes, these are edge cases where one can have a sort of "equilibrium", and at least in the Einstein static universe case, the idea of doing a "stability analysis" makes sense (the result of such an analysis is already known). It does not seem to me that the OP's question was limited to such special cases, however.
 
Nicole01 said:
how do I conduct stability analysis using lyapunovs function if I don't have equilibrium points to conclude whether the trajectories converge or diverge
Um, you can't?
 
PeterDonis said:
a(t) is never zero in any FLRW model.
Sorry, ##a(t)## in any FLRW models in standard coordinates is the "scale" factor for the spatial metric on each spacelike hypersurface of constant cosmological time ##t## ?
 
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cianfa72 said:
Sorry, ##a(t)## in any FLRW models in standard coordinates is the "scale" factor for the spatial metric on each spacelike hypersurface of constant cosmological time ##t## ?
Yes
 
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cianfa72 said:
##a(t)## in any FLRW models in standard coordinates is the "scale" factor for the spatial metric on each spacelike hypersurface of constant cosmological time ##t## ?
Yes. And please note that anyone posting in an "A" level thread on this topic should not even need to ask this question. "A" level means you should have a graduate level knowledge of the subject matter, and one of the reasons for that level designation is to avoid having advanced threads cluttered with basic questions.
 
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