From Noether's Theorem to Stress-Energy Tensor

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The discussion revolves around the application of Noether's Theorem in the context of classical field theory, specifically focusing on the derivation of the change in action due to infinitesimal transformations of the coordinate system. Participants are examining the mathematical steps involved in this derivation, particularly the interpretation of certain integrals and variations in functional forms.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about a specific step in the derivation involving the transformation of the action and the appearance of the term \(\delta x^{\lambda}\).
  • Another participant agrees with the initial interpretation but emphasizes the need to visualize the geometry involved in the coordinate transformation.
  • A participant introduces the concept of defining variations for fixed coordinates, leading to a discussion about the nature of changes in functional forms.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the notation and whether the term \(\partial_{\mu}f'(x)\delta x^{\mu}\) should be included in the expression for total change.
  • Another participant explains that the omission of higher-order terms is justified due to the infinitesimal nature of the changes being discussed.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical validity of the derivation but express differing views on the interpretation of certain steps and the implications of infinitesimal changes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise handling of terms in the variation of functions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of visualizing the geometric implications of coordinate transformations, indicating that assumptions about the nature of the transformations may affect the interpretation of the integrals involved.

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Hi

The following is a standard application of Noether's Theorem given in most books on QFT, in a preliminary section on classical field theory. Reproduced below are steps from the QFT book by Palash and Pal, which I am referring to, having read the same from other books. I have some trouble with a step which I have highlighted in bold. I would be grateful if someone could clarify my doubts. Thanks in advance!

Consider infinitesimal transformations of the coordinate system

[tex]x^{\mu} \rightarrow x'^{\mu} = x^{\mu} + \delta x^{\mu}[/tex]

under which the fields transform as

[tex]\Phi^{A}(x) \rightarrow \Phi'^{A}(x) = \Phi^{A}(x) + \delta \Phi^{A}(x)[/tex]

The change in the action resulting from these transformations is given by

[tex]\delta \mathcal{A} = \int_{\Omega'} d^{4}x' \mathcal{L}(\Phi'^{A}(x'),\partial_{\mu}'\Phi'^{A}(x')) - \int_{\Omega}d^{4}x \mathcal{L}(\Phi^{A}(x),\partial_{\mu}(\Phi^{A}(x)))[/tex]

where [itex]\Omega'[/itex] is the transform of [itex]\Omega[/itex] under the coordinate change. This can be rewritten as

[tex]\delta \mathcal{A} = \int_{\Omega}d^{4}x \left[\mathcal{L}(\Phi'^{A}(x),\partial_{\mu}'\Phi'^{A}(x)) - \mathcal{L}(\Phi^{A}(x),\partial_{\mu}(\Phi^{A}(x))\right] + \int_{\Omega'-\Omega}d^{4}x \mathcal{L}(\Phi'^{A}(x),\partial_{\mu}'\Phi'^{A}(x))[/tex]

The last term is an integral over the infinitesimal volume [itex]\Omega'-\Omega[/itex], so we can replace it by an integral over the boundary [itex]\partial\Omega[/itex],

[tex]\int_{\Omega'-\Omega}d^{4}x \mathcal{L}(\Phi'^{A},\partial_{\mu}'\Phi'^{A}) = \int_{\partial\Omega}dS_{\lambda} \delta x^{\lambda}\mathcal{L}(\Phi^{A},\partial_{\mu}\Phi^{A}) = \int_{\Omega}d^{4}x \partial_{\lambda}(\delta x^{\lambda}\mathcal{L}(\Phi^{A},\partial_{\mu}\Phi^{A}))[/tex]

While I understand how the last integral has been written, by employing Gauss's Law, I don't understand how

[tex]\int_{\Omega'-\Omega}d^{4}x \mathcal{L}(\Phi'^{A},\partial_{\mu}'\Phi'^{A}) = \int_{\partial\Omega}dS_{\lambda} \delta x^{\lambda}\mathcal{L}(\Phi^{A},\partial_{\mu}\Phi^{A})[/tex]

Can someone please explain this step? Where did the [itex]\delta x^{\lambda}[/itex] come from?

Thanks.

EDIT - I think I got it: [itex]d^{4}x = dS_{\lambda}x^{\lambda}[/itex]
 
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Yeah, you pretty much got it with your edit. This entire derivation looks mathematically funny, but I think it's correct.

I don't think it's trivial to say that d^4x=dS dot delta x; you have to imagine the geometry in your head. Say your coordinate transformation is a stretch in the z-direction only. Then why is the new surface only created with its normal to z? You also create surfaces parallel to the z-axis when you stretch the box in the z-direction, but these are only infinitismal and can be neglected. The z-plane that used to be the boundary before the stretch is the non-infinitismal surface that's being changed by your stretch in the z-direction.
 
Thanks RedX. Some more help is needed in interpreting what's going on in the next couple of steps:

At this point, it is convenient to define the variation for fixed [itex]x[/itex], which gives the change in the functional forms only. For any function [itex]f(x)[/itex] whose functional form changes to [itex]f'(x)[/itex], we can write

[tex]\bar{\delta}f(x) \equiv f'(x) - f(x) = [f'(x')-f(x)]-[f'(x')-f'(x)] = \delta f(x) - \partial_{\mu}f(x)\delta x^{\mu}[/tex]

where we have again ignored terms of higher order in [itex]\delta x^{\mu}[/itex] in writing the last equality.

Whats going on here?
 
Take the function f(x)=x^2. You can change it by adding x^3 to it, and the new function is:

g(x)=x^2+x^3

If you label g(x) as f'(x), then: f'(x)-f(x)=[tex]\overline{\delta}}[/tex]=x^3

But you can also change the function by messing with the argument. So change the argument to x+1:

h(x)=(x+1)^2

If you label h(x) as f(x'), then f(x')-f(x)=2x+1

If you add these two changes, you get the total change [tex]\delta f[/tex].

So they are just classifying the different types of changes, except they are using infintinismal changes.
 
maverick280857 said:
Thanks RedX. Some more help is needed in interpreting what's going on in the next couple of steps:



Whats going on here?

Shouldn't we have [itex]\partial_{\mu}f'(x)\delta x^{\mu}[/itex] in the last equality?
 
maverick280857 said:
Shouldn't we have [itex]\partial_{\mu}f'(x)\delta x^{\mu}[/itex] in the last equality?

The last quotation you have: "where we have ignored higher terms ... in writing the last equality" explains why. You're talking about infinitismal changes. So [tex]\partial_{\mu}f'(x)\delta x^{\mu}[/tex] is already first order because of the small delta x^mu. So if f'(x)=f(x)+[tex]\overline{\delta}f(x)[/tex], then [tex]\partial_{\mu}f'(x)\delta x^{\mu}= \partial_{\mu}(f(x)+\overline{\delta}f(x))\delta x^{\mu}[/tex], and having two deltas is too small to care about - one is enough. So f(x) can be used instead of f'(x) for that term.
 

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