Functional time-dependent perturbation theory

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The discussion revolves around the application of time-dependent perturbation theory in non-relativistic quantum mechanics (NRQM) and its extension to relativistic quantum theories, specifically the Klein-Gordon and Dirac equations. Participants explore the derivation of transition amplitudes using the functional Schrödinger equation and the relevance of different formalisms in quantum field theory (QFT).

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the applicability of the time-dependent perturbation theory derived for NRQM to the Klein-Gordon and Dirac equations, noting the differences in their foundational equations.
  • Another participant suggests that the formula presented resembles the Dyson series in the interaction picture, which is applicable in QFT.
  • There is a request for references that specifically discuss functional integrals on field configurations within the context of the Dyson series.
  • A participant provides a link to lecture notes and mentions that both operator and path-integral formalisms are covered, while cautioning against relying on older textbooks.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity of the functional formalism compared to operator and path integral methods, with a participant expressing confusion about the correct formalism related to the initial formula presented.
  • Another participant expresses a preference for operator and path-integral formalisms in their research, indicating that the functional formalism may not be widely used among specialists in QFT.
  • There is mention of a specific textbook by Hatfield that explains calculations in various formalisms, although one participant notes that they did not find the initial formula in that book.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability and clarity of the functional formalism compared to other methods in QFT. There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial formula or its derivation across different formalisms.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the limitations of older textbooks and the varying levels of discussion regarding the functional formalism in contemporary literature. The discussion reflects a mix of familiarity and uncertainty regarding the application of different theoretical frameworks in quantum field theory.

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Today, in my advanced particle physics class, the professor reminded the time-dependent perturbation theory in NRQM and derived the formula:

##\displaystyle \frac{da_m(t)}{dt}=-i \sum_n e^{-i(E_n-E_m)} \int_{\mathbb R^3}d^3 x \phi^*_m (\vec x) V(\vec x,t) \phi_n(\vec x)##.

Then he said that this is true also for Klein-Gordon and Dirac equations which confused me. I asked him how can that be true because we assumed an equation of the form ## (H_0+V)\psi = i \frac{\partial \psi}{\partial t} ## and started from eigenfunctions of ## H_0 ## to do the perturbation but Dirac and Klein-Gordon equations are not of this form. His answer wasn't convincing too. So I investigated a little bit and then suddenly remembered the functional Schrödinger equation. Now I think that using the functional Schrödinger equation, we can derive a similar formula:

##\displaystyle \frac{da_m(t)}{dt}=-i \sum_n a_n(t) \int D \phi \ \psi^*_m [\phi] V[\phi] \psi_n[\phi] e^{-i(E_n-E_m)}##

and interpret the ## a_n ##s as transition amplitudes between different field configurations. Is this true?
Thanks
 
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That looks like the usual Dyson series in the interaction picture, it still holds in QFT. Although you wouldn't be doing it in position space I assume.
 
HomogenousCow said:
That looks like the usual Dyson series in the interaction picture, it still holds in QFT. Although you wouldn't be doing it in position space I assume.
All that I can find in books are space-time or momentum integrals. Can you give a reference that contains such a functional integral on field configurations for the Dyson series?
 
You find both, the operator and the path-integral formalism in my lecture notes on QFT:

http://fias.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/publ/lect.pdf

and in any modern textbook on the subject. Don't read old textbooks like Bjorken/Drell vol. I. It's a very nice historical introduction to how difficult life was before the machinery of QFT was discovered, but that's it.

The functional formalism is not so often discussed in textbooks. An excellent exception is

B. Hatfield, Quantum field theory of point particles and strings, Perseus Books (1992)
 
vanhees71 said:
You find both, the operator and the path-integral formalism in my lecture notes on QFT:

http://fias.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/publ/lect.pdf

and in any modern textbook on the subject. Don't read old textbooks like Bjorken/Drell vol. I. It's a very nice historical introduction to how difficult life was before the machinery of QFT was discovered, but that's it.

The functional formalism is not so often discussed in textbooks. An excellent exception is

B. Hatfield, Quantum field theory of point particles and strings, Perseus Books (1992)

So the functional formalism is old and hard and the modern ways to do things are operator and path integral formalism and the formula that I wrote is correct in...which formalism? Path integral or functional? I'm confused because the D in the integral reminds me of path integrals.

Also I've read Hatfield but there was nothing like the formula I wrote in my first post. Is there such a formula in your lectures?

Also I didn't read Bjorken and Drell. Our main text is Halzen and Martin. Its just a advanced particle physics class, not full QFT.
 
I don't like wave functions in relativistic QT. The formula is, of course, somewhere in operator form in my lectures (it's the usual Dyson-Wick series, truncated at the first order). I'm not used to the functional formalism. I don't know, whether it's in much use by specialist theorists in QFT. In our field of research (relativistic heavy-ion collisions) we use either the operator or the path-integral formalism and, at the end, the Feynman rules of perturbation theory derived from there. I like Hatfields book, because he carefully explains, how to calculate things in all the three formalisms. I guess, you should find a derivation of the (perturbative) S-matrix elements in all three formalisms in his book.
 

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