Fundamental Forces Problem: Acceleration from Planet

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to gravitational forces and acceleration from a planet, involving unit conversions and calculations of mass and force based on given parameters such as radius and density.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss unit conversions, particularly from cubic centimeters to cubic meters, and the implications of these conversions on calculations. There are attempts to clarify the correct approach to calculating mass and gravitational force.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying unit conversion methods and discussing potential errors in calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the importance of including units in equations and ensuring correct conversions, but no consensus has been reached on the specific calculations.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the conversion factors used, particularly in relation to volume and density, and how these affect the final results. The original poster's calculations have been questioned, and there is a focus on ensuring that all units are correctly accounted for in the problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
F=mg, F=-GmM/r^2
I know its something to do with my unit conversions because my answer is the right numbers but too small by a factor of 10000.

I convert the radius to meters by multiplying it by 1000. I convert the density to kg/m^3 by dividing it by 10.

I find the volume using the equation (4/3)*pi*radius^3

I find the mass by multiplying the volume by the density.

I find the force of gravity by using GMm/(radius planet+distance from planet)^2

(distance was also converted to m by multiplying it by 1000)

Fg=ma, the small masses cancel.

I get an answer that has the right numbers but is too small by a factor of 10000.
 

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Try to solve it again, explicitly including units of measurement in the equation. Post your work if it doesn't come out right.
 
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JoeyBob said:
Homework Statement:: See attached
Relevant Equations:: F=mg, F=-GmM/r^2

I convert the radius to meters by multiplying it by 1000.
OK

I convert the density to kg/m^3 by dividing it by 10.
But the density is already given in kg/m3.

I find the volume using the equation (4/3)*pi*radius^3

I find the mass by multiplying the volume by the density.

I find the force of gravity by using GMm/(radius planet+distance from planet)^2
OK. Wouldn't the result of this calculation give you the answer to the problem. I don't see why you went on to write the following:
Fg=ma, the small masses cancel.

It could be that you are making one or more errors that we can't see. It will help if you show the full calculation with the particular numbers and units that you used.
 
TSny said:
OK

But the density is already given in kg/m3.OK. Wouldn't the result of this calculation give you the answer to the problem. I don't see why you went on to write the following:It could be that you are making one or more errors that we can't see. It will help if you show the full calculation with the particular numbers and units that you used.
I screenshotted the wrong question... here's the right one.

Caluclutations:

3.93/10=0.393

Mass=Volume*density

Mass=(4/3)*pi*3390000^3*0.393=6.4133*10^19

F=Gmm/r^2

=6.67*10^-11*6.4133*10^19m/(3390000+171900)^2

=0.000337166ma=ma

a=0.00033716
 

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JoeyBob said:
Caluclutations:

3.93/10=0.393
The conversion here is wrong. Think about the fact that the cm is cubed. Otherwise, your work looks good to me.
 
TSny said:
The conversion here is wrong. Think about the fact that the cm is cubed. Otherwise, your work looks good to me.
To convert cm cubed to m cubed don't you divide by 100 (since its divided by you multiply). There are 1000 g in a kg, so you divide by 1000. 100/1000 means you divide by 10.
 
JoeyBob said:
To convert cm cubed to m cubed don't you divide by 100 .
No. Consider a simpler example where you can draw a picture. There are 3 ft in a yd. How many ft3 are in 1 yd3. Sketch a cube with each edge 1 yd. How many ft3 will fit into that cube?
 
TSny said:
No. Consider a simpler example where you can draw a picture. There are 3 ft in a yd. How many ft3 are in 1 yd3. Sketch a cube with each edge 1 yd. How many ft3 will fit into that cube?
So you multiple it by 1000 since its cubed?
 
JoeyBob said:
So you multiple it by 1000 since its cubed?
I'm not sure what "it" refers to here. You might be right.

To convert 5 cm3 to m3 you would not multiply the 5 by 1000.

But if you mean that to convert g/cm3 to kg/m3 you multiply by 1000, then yes!
 
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TSny said:
I'm not sure what "it" refers to here. You might be right.

To convert 5 cm3 to m3 you would not multiply the 5 by 1000.

But if you mean that to convert g/cm3 to kg/m3 you multiply by 1000, then yes!
Thats so dumb. Thanks for the help.
 

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