Fundamental Lemma of Variational Calculus

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The discussion revolves around the fundamental lemma of the calculus of variations, particularly its implications and conditions under which it holds. Participants explore the lemma's statement, its interpretation, and specific examples that challenge or clarify its validity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the lemma, stating that if a function g(x) vanishes at the endpoints and is continuously differentiable, then if the integral of f(x)g(x) equals zero, f(x) must be identically zero within the interval.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of the lemma, questioning whether it should state that the integral equals zero for every function g.
  • A subsequent reply reiterates the challenge, emphasizing that the lemma applies to every function g, not just any function.
  • Participants discuss the distinction between "for every function g" and "for a function g," noting that they are not equivalent statements.
  • A participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the lemma's conditions, clarifying that it should be interpreted as applying to every function in a specific class.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding the correct interpretation of the lemma, particularly whether it applies to every function or just some functions. The discussion remains unresolved as participants have differing views on the lemma's statement.

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Participants express uncertainty about the precise wording of the lemma and its implications, highlighting the importance of definitions and conditions in mathematical statements.

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I was just going through the derivation of the euler - lagrange equation that rests on the proof of the fundamental lemma of the calculus of variations which states the following:

If a function g(x) vanishes at the endpoints i.e g(a) = 0, g(b) = 0 and is continuously differentiable within the interval, and a second function f(x) is smooth within the interval and if
integral[ f(x)g(x) ] from a to b = 0,

then f(x) is identically zero within the interal (a,b).

This result is simple and intuitive if g(x) is positive within (a,b) but what happens if we have f(x) = k and g(x) = sin(x). Then g(x) = 0 at the endpoints 0 and 2pi but

integral[ k * sin(x) ] from a to b = 0 for k not equal to zero.

I would appreciate it if someone explained this to me and cleared my doubts as regarding the lemma. thanks a lot :)
 
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That "lemma" is clearly not true. Are you sure it doesn't say "\int f(x)g(x)dx= 0 for every such funcition g"? Or perhaps "g(x)= 0 only at the endpoints"?
 
To say "for every function g" and "for any function g" is the same thing. But "for every function g", and "for a function g" is not the same thing.
 
Oh man. I must have meant to say "some", and it came out as "any".
 
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oh i see...i made a mistake in reading it and interpreted it as being true for some function g rather than for every function belonging to C(infinity). thanks a lot you guys.
 

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