Fundamental polygons and surfaces

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The discussion revolves around the classification of closed surfaces and the relationship between fundamental polygons and closed surfaces. Participants explore whether any fundamental polygon can be transformed into a closed surface by adjoining an appropriate atlas, as well as the implications of edge identification on topological invariants.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if any fundamental polygon can be made into a closed surface by adding an atlas, noting that fundamental polygons meet the topological requirements of compactness and connectedness.
  • Another participant clarifies that a fundamental polygon refers to a polygon with edges identified in a specific pattern and states that only polygons with an even number of sides can form a closed surface of genus m.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the term "fundamental" should refer to the identification of sides and questions the necessity of the term in the context of building surfaces from polygons.
  • One participant discusses the implications of identifying edges, stating that if n edges are identified, the resulting structure can only be a manifold under certain conditions, specifically when n equals 1 or 2, and it can only be closed if n equals 2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of fundamental polygons and their ability to form closed surfaces. There is no consensus on whether all fundamental polygons can be transformed into closed surfaces or on the nature of edge identification as a topological invariant.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the classification theorem involves surfaces being homeomorphic to polygons with pairwise identified sides, which adds complexity to the discussion about edge identification and manifold properties.

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The theorem of classification of closed surfaces says that any closed surface is homeomorphic to a fundamental polygon in the plane.

I was wondering if any fundamental polygon can be made into a closed surface by adjoining an appropriate atlas to it.

The topological requirements of a closed surface (compactness and connectedness) are certainly met by the fund. polygon but can we give it an atlas, and if so, is the resulting 2-manifold boundaryless?

Sure as hell appears so to me but I want to make sure.Side question: Say we have a polygon with sides identified, and say that some side "a" is identified with n sides. Is n a topological invariant?

Thx!
 
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A fundamental polygon is just a polygon. Do you mean a polygon with edges identified in a certain pattern? Are you asking if any polygon can have it's edges identified in such a way as to make it a closed surface? Only if it has an even number of sides. Specifically, if it has 2m sides, you can make the surface of genus m. Othewise somewhere there must be an odd number of edges identified, and here the structure will either be a boundary (if there is one edge) or a place where the structure fails to be a manifold (if there are 3 or more).
 
Oops, I thought the addition of the word "fundamental" was to refer to the fact that its sides were (potentially) indentified. Why waste breath and ink on the word "fundamental" then??

Btw - My side question is tightly related to the main question because in the proof of the classification thm, we show that any surface is homeomorphic to a polygon with pairwise identified sides. So if the answer to my side question comes out 'yes', then the main question will be answered.

Btw² - I have edited my side question to what I really had in mind.
 
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Fundamental polygons are polygons associated to a surface. I've never seen this term used the other way around, to build a surface from a polygon. Maybe it is, but I would just call that a quotient space.

As far as your side question, each (interior of an) edge belongs to an equivalence class of edges. If n of these are identified, then the result locally looks like the product of the wedge product of n half open intervals with an open interval, ie, [0,1)x(0,1) if n=1, (0,1)x(0,1) if n=2, two intersecting planes if n=4, and so on. These spaces are all non-homeomorphic, so no homeomorphism can take a point in an eq class of m edges to one with n edges unless n=m. Note this can only be a manifold if n=1 or n=2 always, and only a closed one if n=2 (which implies the total number of edges is even).
 
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