Fundamental theorem of arithmetic from Jordan-Hölder theorem

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the fundamental theorem of arithmetic and the Jordan-Hölder theorem, specifically exploring a proof that attempts to demonstrate how the former can be derived from the latter. The scope includes theoretical aspects of group theory and number theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a proof that the fundamental theorem of arithmetic follows from the Jordan-Hölder theorem by constructing a composition series for the group of integers modulo n.
  • Another participant points out that the quotient ##\mathbb{Z}_n / \mathbb{Z}_d## is only defined if ##d\,|\,n## and questions the existence of the prime ##p_1## dividing ##n##.
  • A participant acknowledges the need to clarify the assumption that a non-prime number must have a prime divisor, noting that this assumption is part of what they are trying to prove.
  • Concerns are raised about the existence of a composition series and potential circular reasoning in the proof.
  • There is a discussion about the isomorphism of the sets of prime factors, with one participant clarifying that the sets are equal or not, rather than isomorphic, due to the nature of prime numbers and units in the integers.
  • Participants express agreement that the proof makes sense overall, while also providing hints and corrections to refine the argument.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the proof has merit and makes sense, but there are multiple points of contention regarding specific assumptions and definitions, particularly concerning the existence of prime factors and the nature of the composition series.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for clearer definitions regarding the existence of prime factors and the conditions under which the composition series is constructed. There are unresolved questions about the implications of certain assumptions and the nature of isomorphism in the context of prime factorization.

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I propose a proof of the fundamental theorem of arithmetic based on the Jordan-Hölder theorem. I would like to know if the proof makes sense.
I was intrigued by a comment in Brilliant.org:
In fact, it is not hard to show that the fundamental theorem of arithmetic follows from Jordan–Hölder

Besides the proof provided by Brilliant, I also found a couple of other websites. But none of these proofs were entirely clear to me. So I tried to come up with my own proof. Since I am not a group theorist, I wanted to ask if the proof makes sense, or if there are some mistakes.

Let ##n## be a positive integer. Let's consider ##\mathbb{Z}_n##, I know that
the quotient ##\mathbb{Z}_n/\mathbb{Z}_d## is defined and is simple if and only if ##n/d=p## with ##p## prime.

This allows us to create a composition series for ##\mathbb{Z}_n##. Let's take ##p_1## be a prime number dividing ##n## and consider ##\mathbb{Z}_\frac{n}{p_1}##. Because of what we said, ##\mathbb{Z}_n/\mathbb{Z}_\frac{n}{p1}## is simple. Let's now take another prime ##p_2## that divides ##\frac{n}{p_1}## and consider ##\mathbb{Z}_\frac{n}{p_1p_2}##. Then ##\mathbb{Z}_\frac{n}{p_1}/\mathbb{Z}_\frac{n}{p_1p_2}=p_2## and is therefore simple. We can then build
$$
\mathbb{Z}_n \triangleright \mathbb{Z}_\frac{n}{p_1} \triangleright \mathbb{Z}_\frac{n}{p_1p_2}
$$
We can continue this process until ##\frac{n}{p_1...p_k}## is prime. Then we take as next subset ##\mathbb{Z}_1=\{0\}## and we have ##\mathbb{Z}_\frac{n}{p_1...p_k}/\mathbb{Z}_1=\frac{n}{p_1...p_k}## prime. So we found the composition series

$$
\mathbb{Z}_n \triangleright \mathbb{Z}_\frac{n}{p_1} \triangleright \mathbb{Z}_\frac{n}{p_1p_2}\triangleright...\triangleright \mathbb{Z}_1 = \{0\}
$$

But since ##n=p_1...p_k##, I can rewrite the composition series as

$$
\{0\} \triangleleft \mathbb{Z}_{p_1} \triangleleft \mathbb{Z}_{p_1p_2}\triangleleft...\triangleleft \mathbb{Z}_{p_1...p_k}=\mathbb{Z}_n
$$

I could have also chosen another decomposition of ##n## to obtain the series
$$
\{0\} \triangleleft \mathbb{Z}_{q_1} \triangleleft \mathbb{Z}_{q_1q_2}\triangleleft...\triangleleft \mathbb{Z}_{q1...q_l}=\mathbb{Z}_n
$$

By the Jordan-Hölder theorem, the two series must be equivalent, i.e. the set
##\{p_1,...,p_k\}## must be isomorphic to the set ##\{q_1,...,q_l\}## and it also proves that ##n## can be decomposed into prime factors. Therefore, this proves the fundamental theorem of arithmetic.


Do you think this proof is correct, or am I overlooking something?
 
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Looks ok.

I have some minor remarks:
1.) ##\mathbb{Z}_n / \mathbb{Z}_d## is only defined if ##d\,|\,n,## not always.
2.) Where do you take the existence of ##p_1## from?
3.) Why does a composition series exist? Not that you have hidden a circular reasoning here!
4.) ##\{p_1,\ldots,p_k\} = \{q_1,\ldots,q_l\}## (up to ##\pm 1##) not isomorphic.
 
Thank you for checking.

1. Correct, ##d## must divide ##n##. I need to specify this better.
2. Yes, this needs an explanation. I was simply supposing that if ##n## is not prime, then there exists a prime number that divides ##n##. But this is a consequence of the FTOA, that I am trying to prove here. What I am doing here is just proving the uniqueness of the factorisation. I need to think if there is a group theory tool to argue that ##p_1## exists.
3. If we assume that a non prime number is divisible by a prime number, see point above, then the composition series exists because during the proof I build it (i.e, take one prime number ##p_1## that divides ##n## and consider ##\mathbb{Z}_{n/p_1}\triangleleft \mathbb{Z}_n## and so on).
4. I am not sure I understand what you mean here. I guess with (up to ##\pm 1##) you mean that the sets do not contain ##\pm 1##, because ##1## is not prime. But why are they not isomorphic?
 
eoghan said:
Thank you for checking.

1. Correct, ##d## must divide ##n##. I need to specify this better.
2. Yes, this needs an explanation. I was simply supposing that if ##n## is not prime, then there exists a prime number that divides ##n##. But this is a consequence of the FTOA, that I am trying to prove here. What I am doing here is just proving the uniqueness of the factorisation. I need to think if there is a group theory tool to argue that ##p_1## exists.
You could take an element of lowest highest order. That also proves ##p_1\,|\,n## (Lagrange). Since primality and irreducibility are exchangeable, this should prove primality.
eoghan said:
3. If we assume that a non prime number is divisible by a prime number, see point above, then the composition series exists because during the proof I build it (i.e, take one prime number ##p_1## that divides ##n## and consider ##\mathbb{Z}_{n/p_1}\triangleleft \mathbb{Z}_n## and so on).
Yes, seems convincing. A note that the group orders decline with each step without repetitions would help to guarantee that it comes to an end. ##(\mathbb{Z},+) ## has no composition series.
eoghan said:
4. I am not sure I understand what you mean here. I guess with (up to ##\pm 1##) you mean that the sets do not contain ##\pm 1##, because ##1## is not prime. But why are they not isomorphic?
I mean that every statement about prime numbers is always up to units, and the units in ##\mathbb{Z}## are ##\pm 1.## ##-5## is as prime as ##5## is. Mention that we only consider positive numbers and done. But I mainly meant that sets are equal or not, containing each other or not. They are not isomorphic since there is no "morph" on sets.
 
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It makes sense!

Thank you for checking it out and for the hints :)
 
eoghan said:
It makes sense!

Thank you for checking it out and for the hints :)
I had to correct myself: take an element of highest order, not lowest for irreducibility. High order means low prime, I confused them.
 

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