Funny Universal Cover: What is it?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of universal covers in topology, specifically examining a space formed by identifying edges of two squares to create a connected structure of tori. Participants explore the properties of this space, including its universal cover and homotopy groups, as well as related questions about covering spaces in general.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the universal cover of the described space is a "plane of spheres" or potentially two planes associated with grid lines, suggesting a visualization involving octahedrons.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the complexity of the second homotopy group, indicating that it could be more complicated than initially thought.
  • A question is raised regarding whether a path-connected covering space with an infinite fiber must be the universal cover of a CW complex, with the participant unable to identify counterexamples.
  • Another participant notes that R x S^1 serves as a covering space for the torus, contributing to the discussion on covering spaces.
  • A later reply acknowledges a previous question as misguided, clarifying that for any subgroup of a fundamental group, there exists a corresponding covering space, including cases where the subgroup is infinite.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of certainty regarding the properties of the universal cover and homotopy groups, with no consensus reached on the complexity of the second homotopy group or the conditions under which a covering space is the universal cover.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge potential limitations in their reasoning, particularly regarding assumptions about homotopy groups and the nature of covering spaces. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives without resolving the complexities involved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying topology, particularly in the context of covering spaces and homotopy theory.

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Hello all.

For some reason or another, I've been thinking about the following space:

Take two copies of the square. Identify their edges as you would usually to form a torus, but identify them also to the corresponding edges of the counterpart sqaure (so we have two tori, joined in some way).

Maybe I should think a bit harder about what this space is, but am I right in saying that the universal cover of this space is simply a "plane of spheres"? Indeed, if it was just the one square (with identifications) the universal cover would be the plane, so it seems to me that the universal cover of this one is two planes, but where we associate the grid lines, so it might be easier imagine a plane of octahedrons.

Is what I have said correct? Would the homotopy of this space be pi_1=trivial (must be for universal cover) pi_{2}=ZxZxZxZx... pi_{n}=0 for n>2? (so this is a K(ZxZxZx...,2))

I was hoping the universal cover of this space would be trivial you see :(
 
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Actually, I'm guessing that my pi_2 could be far more complicated.
 
Here is another question:

Suppose I have a covering space C of a topological space X (we'll assume that X is a CW complex). If C is path connected and the fibre of the projection map is infinite, must C be the universal cover of X?

I can't think of any counterexamples to this.
 
Doesn't R x S^1 cover the torus?
 
Sorry, that was a really dumb question- given a space X with fundamental group G, for any subgroup H<G there exists a cover of X with fundamental group H, of course including H infinite :/

So yes, the cylinder is a good example of such a cover.
 

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