Fusion reactors are neutron sources AKA fission bomb factories?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of fusion reactors as potential neutron sources and their relationship to the production of nuclear weapons, particularly fission bombs. Participants explore the feasibility of constructing nuclear devices using fusion technology and the societal consequences of widespread access to such reactors.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that fusion reactors could serve as neutron sources, which are critical for the enrichment of uranium and plutonium.
  • Others argue that the enrichment process is primarily conducted through centrifuges or other means, and that neutron radiation is used to convert non-fissile material into fissile material.
  • There are concerns about the potential for individuals to construct nuclear weapons from readily available materials, with references to fictional narratives depicting such scenarios.
  • Some participants suggest that significant industrial and financial resources would be required to build nuclear devices, implying that this capability is not feasible for the average person.
  • One participant raises the issue of the environmental consequences of widespread neutron sources, including potential radiation exposure and the challenges of managing nuclear waste.
  • There is a mention of the complexities involved in modifying fusion reactors and the difficulties associated with creating the necessary implosion devices for nuclear weapons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and implications of fusion reactors as neutron sources and their potential use in nuclear weapon construction. No consensus is reached, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about the availability of fusion technology, the nature of nuclear weapon construction, and the societal implications of such advancements. The discussion reflects uncertainties regarding the practicality of constructing nuclear devices and the environmental impacts of neutron sources.

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Assumptions:

1) Fusion reactors are easily obtainable. Every spacecraft or hover-car has one.

2) Fusion reactors are neutron sources.

3) Neutron sources are the "difficult bit" in the enrichment of uranium and plutonium.

4) Uranium and plutonium are "freely" available in asteroids or uninhabited planets.

Conclusion:

Fusion reactors are bomb factories?
 
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ardnog said:
3) Neutron sources are the "difficult bit" in the enrichment of uranium and plutonium.
Not correct. Enrichment (of raw material) is done by centrifuges (or some other means of isotope separation). Turning the (non-fissile) raw material to fissile material is, what's done with neutron radiation.

But when a civilization already has stable fusion, they are expected to had some experiences with unstable fusion too. Creating fissile bombs with stable fusion is like creating polished stone axes with a precision lathe. You need to think up some really serious issues with those brains there to make something like this work in a plot.
 
So you're saying that at this point, everyone can make nukes in their workshop?

What technologies would exist to prevent the end of civilisation by mad bombers?
 
ardnog said:
So you're saying that at this point, everyone can make nukes in their workshop?
North Korea? They yet to have stable fusion (:wink:) but they already have fusion boosted fission bombs with technology level around the 60's.

ardnog said:
What technologies would exist to prevent the end of civilisation by mad bombers?
Fear :oops:
 
By "everyone" I mean everyone from parts in the hardware store; not governments.
 
I have read many sci-fi, mystery and action novels that feature non-government construction of fission bombs without the need nor any mention of fusion reactors.

I cannot remember title or author but a representative novel from the late 1980's featured a young disaffected physicist building a portable fission bomb in her home from hardware store items and stolen lab materials. Much of the story detailed her troubles and successes building the device.

Of course this is all fiction, written for audiences who came of age under threat of nuclear war.
 
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You need to have quite an industrial and financial background. Also, some safe grounds no one else is interested in.

So it's definitely on the level of governments. Won't work below that. (Not any realistic way.)
 
If cars have neutron sources all of civilization will be irradiated anyway.

Uranium is found in meteorites at around 10 parts per billion on average. A villain could do some work and extract a kilogram of uranium from 100,000 tons of asteroid. Maybe 10,000 tons if there is a convenient concentrated asteroid. A 1,000 ton rod dropped from Earth escape will deliver more explosion than the bombs the USA dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. A rod can enter with a heat shield and shatter it at optimal altitude. The rod can be partially hollow to optimize and shape the burst.

The proliferation of neutron sources will stimulate a proliferation of neutron detectors. There will be people looking for hovercars with leaky shields. There will be illegal dumping of low level waste.

Chemically separating plutonium from the irradiated uranium is going to be roughly equivalent to separating plutonium from high level nuclear waste. While doing the irradiation you have to fuse a lot of fusion fuel and some of your plutonium fissions. Using the fusion you have a bright heat source that could be noticed. You have to store or dump your fission byproducts somewhere. The USA has 77,000 tons of high level waste. I hope it is not easy to snatch a few fuel rods but modifying a fusion reactor sounds hard too.

I heard that making the implosion device was the hardest part of the Manhattan project.
 

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