Gabriel's question at Yahoo Answers regarding polynomial division and remainders

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving polynomial division and the determination of remainders when dividing a polynomial function f(x) by specific quadratic and linear factors. Participants explore the relationships between these divisions and attempt to derive the remainder of f(x) when divided by the product of the factors.

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  • One participant presents the initial problem and provides a link to the original question on Yahoo Answers.
  • Another participant outlines the equations derived from the polynomial division, expressing the relationships between f(x) and its quotients and remainders.
  • A subsequent reply corrects the notation in the equations, emphasizing the proper representation of the remainders in the context of polynomial division.
  • Further contributions involve deriving expressions for coefficients a, b, and c based on the relationships established from the polynomial equations.
  • Participants express gratitude for assistance and acknowledge corrections made to earlier statements, indicating a collaborative effort in resolving the problem.
  • There is a suggestion that the highlighted line in one of the equations should be reformulated for clarity, demonstrating ongoing refinement of the mathematical expressions.
  • Multiple participants engage in correcting each other's work, indicating a dynamic exchange of ideas and approaches to the problem.

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Participants generally agree on the structure of the polynomial equations and the relationships between the variables, but there are corrections and refinements made to the notation and expressions, indicating some level of disagreement or confusion that remains unresolved.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the polynomial division process and the specific values of coefficients a, b, and c, which depend on the relationships established in the equations.

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Hello Gabriel,

We are told:

$$\frac{f(x)}{x^2+x+1}=Q_1(x)+(x+5)$$

$$\frac{f(x)}{(x+1)^2}=Q_2(x)+(x-1)$$

If we multiply the second equation by $x+1$, we have:

$$\frac{f(x)}{x+1}=Q_2(x)(x+1)+(x^2-1)$$

Now, adding the two equation, we find:

$$f(x)\left(\frac{x^2+2x+2}{(x+1)(x^2+x+1)} \right)=Q_1(x)+Q_2(x)(x+1)+(x^2+x+4)$$

Dividing through by $x^2+2x+2$ and then defining $$Q_3(x)\equiv\frac{Q_1(x)+Q_2(x)(x+1)}{x^2+2x+2}$$, we obtain:

$$\frac{f(x)}{(x+1)(x^2+x+1)}=Q_3(x)+\frac{x^2+x+4}{x^2+2x+2}$$

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Best Regards,

Mark.
 
Thank you for the help~

However, the first two lines should be...
\[
\frac{f(x)}{x^2+x+1}=Q_1(x)+\frac{x+5}{x^2+x+1}\\
\frac{f(x)}{(x+1)^2}=Q_2(x)+\frac{x-1}{(x+1)^2}
\]

and the given answer is \[-6x^2-5x-1\]
 
We are told:

$$f(x)=Q_1(x)(x^2+x+1)+(x+5)$$ (*)

$$f(x)=Q_2(x)(x+1)^2+(x-1)$$ (**)

We are then asked to find the expression for $$ax^2+bx+c$$ in

$$f(x)=Q_3(x)(x^2+x+1)(x+1)+(ax^2+bx+c)$$ (***)

First, we can use the fact that $$f(-1)=-1-1=-2$$ to the equation (***) and obtain:

$$f(-1)=-2=a-b+c$$ or simply $$a-b+c=-2$$

But we know that we can rewrite the equation (***) so that it takes the form in (**) in the following manner:

$$f(x)=Q_3(x)(x^2+x+1)(x+1)+a(x^2+x+1)-ax-a+bx+c$$

$$f(x)=(Q_3(x)(x+1)a)(x^2+x+1)+(b-a)x+c-a$$

It is obvious that we now have $$b-a=1$$ and $$c-a=5$$.

Solving $$a-b+c=-2$$, $$b-a=1$$ and $$c-a=5$$ for the values of a, b and c and we get

$$a=-6$$, $$b=-5$$ and $$c=-1$$.
 
Yeah, I got in a hurry and botched that one big time. (Giggle) Thank you anemone! (Cool)
 
anemone said:
...

$$f(x)=Q_3(x)(x^2+x+1)(x+1)+a(x^2+x+1)-ax-a+bx+c$$

$$f(x)=(Q_3(x)(x+1)a)(x^2+x+1)+(b-a)x+c-a$$

It is obvious that

...

I think the highlighted line should be
\[ f(x)=(x^2+x+1)((Q_3(x))(x+1)+a)+(b-a)x+c-a \]Thank you anemone for solving the problem!(Handshake) and thank you Mark for the help as well (Smile)
 
gabriel said:
I think the highlighted line should be
\[ f(x)=(x^2+x+1)((Q_3(x))(x+1)+a)+(b-a)x+c-a \]

Ops...:o I was too in a hurry and yes,
$$f(x)=(Q_3(x)(x+1)a)(x^2+x+1)+(b-a)x+c-a$$ should be read as
$$f(x)=[(Q_3(x)(x+1))+a](x^2+x+1)+(b-a)x+c-a$$ instead. Thanks for fixing it for me and glad to help out!
 

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