Gas Equilibrium: Physical & Chemical Characteristics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of gas equilibrium, specifically its physical and chemical characteristics, the nature of forward and reverse reactions, and the calculation of equilibrium constants. Participants explore the similarities and differences between gas and aqueous equilibria, as well as the implications of units in these contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the definition of "gas" equilibrium and its relation to normal equilibrium, expressing uncertainty about the characteristics of equilibrium.
  • Another participant explains that gas equilibria are mathematically treated similarly to aqueous equilibria, noting that the main difference lies in the units used.
  • A participant provides a mathematical representation of equilibrium, stating that at equilibrium, the forward rate equals the reverse rate, leading to the equilibrium constant expression.
  • There is a query about the units of the equilibrium constants Kc and Kp for different types of reactions, indicating a need for clarification on this topic.
  • One participant suggests that Kc units are in moles/L due to concentration calculations, while expressing uncertainty about Kp, proposing it might be in atm or Pa.
  • Another participant acknowledges the complexity of determining the exact units of K constants, emphasizing that they depend on the specific reaction and suggesting that K is often treated as dimensionless.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the definition and characteristics of gas equilibrium, as well as the units of equilibrium constants. There is no consensus on the exact nature of these concepts, indicating ongoing exploration and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity on specific definitions of gas equilibrium and the dependence on the reactions being considered for determining the units of K constants. The discussion does not resolve these ambiguities.

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Hey everyone, I'm in a little pickle if I must say.
I've got this question on my assignment asking me to explain what the physical and chemical characteristics of a "gas" equilibrium whilst explaining the forward/reverse reactions and their dynamic nature.

My problem, what is a "gas" equilibrium? Is it the same as a normal equilibrium? I'm also not sure what characteristics are, is it when the forward reaction is equal to the reverse reaction?

Also on another question, it asks to explain how the equilibrium constant is calculated and I'm fine with that, but its sort of bugging me how they came up with the equation. where K=[products]/[reactants]
Can anyone explain it to me in not so difficult terms?
 
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Gas equilibria are treated, Mathematically, the same as aqueous equilibria. The difference is units. The classic example I've seen in textbooks is the Haber Process. My undergrad General Chemistry text started off with equilibria in the gas phase then introduced aqueous equilibria and acid/base Chemistry. You might try looking in yours or finding a decent one in a library.

As for the second part you can think of it as such.

At equilibrium the forward rate of reaction equals the reverse rate of reaction:

A \rightleftharpoons B

Ratefwd=Raterev

kfwd[A] = Krev

kfwd/krev = /[A]

where kfwd/krev = Keq

Then you have keq = /[A]
 
wow that was explained nicely, thank you very much Yanick :)
But what do you mean by difference is the units?
 
What are units of Kc and Kp constants for reactions

A(aq) <-> B(aq) + C(aq)

and

A(g) <-> B(g) + C(g) ?
 
would the units of Kc be in moles/L because it uses the concentrations in calculations?
I'm not sure about the Kp but I'd say in atm or Pa?
 
You are on the right track.

Note that this is a little bit more complicated, as exact units of the Kwhatever constant depend on the reaction. For a simple reaction like

A -> B

K_c = \frac {<b>}{[A]}</b>

units cancel out, but for reaction like

A -> 2B

K_c = \frac {[A]^2}{<b>}</b>

we are left with mol/L (it works the same way for Kp).

In general it is better to treat K as dimensionless and all expressions present as dimensionless activities of the substances present. Quite often we need a logarithm of K and units become a problem.
 

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