Gauss Composition? and a naive composition law

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The discussion centers around the concept of Gauss composition, particularly in relation to quadratic polynomials with rational coefficients. Participants explore the nature of Gauss composition, its properties, and a proposed composition law that may form an abelian group. The scope includes theoretical aspects of composition laws and their implications in algebra.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on what Gauss composition is and mentions a personal discovery regarding a composition law for quadratic polynomials that may form an abelian group.
  • Another participant suggests that Gauss composition is a ternary operation rather than a binary operation, referencing a PDF for further details.
  • Concerns are raised about defining inverses in the context of the proposed abelian group structure.
  • A later reply attempts to define an inverse for the proposed composition law, suggesting a specific form for the inverse polynomial.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the conditions under which the composition law holds, particularly regarding the coefficients of the polynomials.
  • References to Manjul Bhargava's work and its relation to Gauss composition are made, indicating that there may be multiple interpretations or extensions of the original concept.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of Gauss composition or the validity of the proposed composition law for quadratic polynomials. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding definitions and properties.

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There are limitations regarding the definitions of operations and the assumptions about the coefficients of the polynomials involved in the proposed composition law. The discussion also highlights the need for further exploration of the relationship between Gauss composition and the proposed abelian group structure.

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What exactly is gauss composition? I've heard of Manjul Bhargava's work, which apparently generalized gauss composition, but what is gauss composition? I would like to add that I've been thinking about quadratics polynomials with rational coefficients, and I discovered this composition law that turns the set of quadratic polynomials into an abelian group. Let f(x)=ax^2+bx+c and g(x)=zx^2+dx+r be two quadratic polynomials with rational coefficients. Denote the set of quadratic polynomials with rational coefficients by T{x}. Then the composition law %:T{x} X T{x}--->T{x} defined by f(x)%g(x)=azx^2+bdx+cr turns T{x} into an abelian group. This has probably already been figured out before, but an interesting note!
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EDIT:(simple explanations please, thank you.)
 
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Getting a good answer to a question is somewhat a matter of luck. There might be an expert on Gauss composition on the forum who is chomping at the bit to answer such a very general question. If no such expert turns up, I suggest you ask a more specific question. This PDF looks interesting: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...sg=AFQjCNFCUMwAwetrjbw_3lkt373P3ppmJQ&cad=rja

It tells what Gauss thought that Gauss composition was. If you have a specific question about something in it, you might lure me or some other non-Gauss-composition student into reading it and trying to answer. (I haven't read it yet.)

According to that PDF, Gauss composition is a ternary operation, not a binary operation. As to the Abelian group idea, how are you going to define inverses?
 
"simple explanations please"

No simple explanation that I can find.

A few papers that might explain it to you can be found such as
The shaping of Arithmetic after C.F. Gauss's Disquisitiones Arithmeticae

A copy of Disquisitiones Arithmeticae converted to English can also be had, though a bit pricy.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
Getting a good answer to a question is somewhat a matter of luck. There might be an expert on Gauss composition on the forum who is chomping at the bit to answer such a very general question. If no such expert turns up, I suggest you ask a more specific question. This PDF looks interesting: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...sg=AFQjCNFCUMwAwetrjbw_3lkt373P3ppmJQ&cad=rja

It tells what Gauss thought that Gauss composition was. If you have a specific question about something in it, you might lure me or some other non-Gauss-composition student into reading it and trying to answer. (I haven't read it yet.)

According to that PDF, Gauss composition is a ternary operation, not a binary operation. As to the Abelian group idea, how are you going to define inverses?

ok, so its a ternary operation rather than a binary. I will look into that pdf you have. With regards to the abelian group idea, let f(x)=ax^2+bx+c be a quadratic polynomial with rational coefficients. Let g(x)=(1/a)x^2+(1/b)x+1/c. Then, f(x)%g(x)=a(1/a)x^2+b(1/b)x+c(1/c)=x^2+x+1. x^2+x+1 is the identity, because if f(x)=ax^2+bx+c and t(x)=x^2+x+1, then f(x)%t(x)=a(1)x^2+b(1)x+c(1)=ax^2+bx+c=f(x), and t(x)%f(x)=1ax^2+1bx+1c=ax^2+bx+c=f(x).

EDIT: I see now. 0 can't be one of the coefficients. So if f(x)=ax^2+bx+c AND if neither b nor c equals 0, then the set along with the naive composition forms an abelian group.

EDIT(again): In http://www.icm2006.org/proceedings/Vol_II/contents/ICM_Vol_2_13.pdf, Bhargava says that Gauss laid down a remarkable law of composition on integral binary quadratic forms. Did he find several?
 
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