GE90-115B Turbofan Engine: Thrust Analysis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the thrust analysis of the GE90-115B turbofan engine, specifically how to quantify the thrust contributions from bypass air and hot exhaust gases. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of jet engine thrust, including equations and thermodynamic relations.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to determine the thrust developed by bypass air and hot exhaust gases in the GE90-115B engine, which delivers a total thrust of 115,000 pounds.
  • Another participant suggests that the exhaust thrust might be around 20,000 lbs based on CFM56 technology, but notes a lack of definitive articles showing the thrust fractions.
  • A later reply mentions that while the NASA website provides a turbofan thrust equation, knowing the velocities of each stream is necessary for accurate calculations.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding thermodynamic relations for the turbofan cycle to analyze thrust contributions effectively.
  • It is noted that one must know the velocities of the jet exhaust and bypass flow to apply the thrust equations correctly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the specific thrust contributions from bypass air and exhaust gases, with no consensus on the exact values or methods to determine them.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for specific velocity data and thermodynamic conditions, which may not always be available, affecting the ability to calculate thrust accurately.

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Hi,
i am trying to increase the jet engine thrust. today most of the aircrafts are using high bypass ratio turbofan engine. thurbofan engine delivers thrust in two steps
one: hot exhuast gas
second : by pass air
how i have to find the thrust developed by the bypass air?
how i have to find the thrust developed by the hot exhaust gas?
GE90- 115B turbofan engine delivers total thrust of 115,000 pounds of thrust, in that how much amount of thrust delivered by the bypass air and by the hot exhaust gas?
 
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Welcome to PF, Vincent.
I believe that Fred Garvin is the guy to answer your questions. Bear in mind, though, that since he designs jets for a living, he won't give you any proprietory information.
 
I'll defer to Fred on this, but I've looked at lots of articles and not one showed the fraction of thrust from the jet exhaust or bypass flow. I would guess that the exhaust thrust is about 20,000 lbs or so, based on the CFM56 technology.
http://www.cfm56.com/index.php?level2=engines&level3=1126

I did find some cool stuff though.

http://www.snecma.com/IMG/pdf/GE90_Anglais-2.pdf

http://www.ihi.co.jp/ihi/file/technologygihou2/10006_1.pdf

See also - http://books.google.com/books?id=VpJEm7cFVE4C&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=%22jet+engine%22,%22bypass+ratio%22&source=web&ots=z26WF1wyEI&sig=-kAx30UTrX4CaJpK5dAN_hJeMTE&hl=en#PPA21,M1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE90
 
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answer

Thanks for your reply. i have found answer for my question from the NASA Website. please clilk on the link to know about turbofan thrust equation.http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/turbfan.html"
 
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That is exactly correct. However, you will not always know the velocities of each stream as required by that page. You may need to delve farther into the thermodynamic relations for the turbofan cycle. You may look to this (usually one starts with known conditions at the inlet and works their way to the back end of the engine):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Engine_Performance
 
Just as Fred mentioned, one needs to know the velocities of the jet exhaust and bypass flow (exit).
 

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