General Chemistry - Chemical Equilibria

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The discussion revolves around a chemical equilibria problem involving the gases CH4, C2H6, and O2 at a given temperature. Participants explore methods to calculate the equilibrium pressures of these gases based on provided equilibrium constants and initial pressures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that there seems to be one unknown that cannot be solved for and requests help with the method rather than the answer.
  • Another participant suggests that there should only be two unknowns, proposing to let x atm of CH4 and y atm of C2H6 be consumed, and indicates that the changes in partial pressures can be expressed in terms of x and y.
  • A different participant proposes subtracting the equations and manipulating the equilibrium constants, mentioning the need to adjust K values based on the stoichiometric coefficients used in the equations.
  • This same participant also introduces the ICE (initial, change, equilibrium) method, suggesting that it could simplify the problem to one variable, although they express uncertainty about the approach.
  • One participant challenges the idea that stoichiometry is too complicated, asserting that it is essential for solving the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the complexity of using stoichiometry in this context, with some arguing it is essential while others believe it complicates the problem. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the interactions between the reactions and how they influence each other, as well as the dependence on the specific conditions of the system.

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General Chemistry -- Chemical Equilibria

Suppose 1.22 atm of CH4(g), 2.57 atm of C2H6(g), and 15.00 atm of O2(g) are placed in a flask at a given temperature. The reactions are given below.

CH4(g) + 2 O2(g) CO2(g) + 2 H2O(g) KP = 1.0x10^4
2 C2H6(g) + 7 O2(g) 4 CO2(g) + 6 H2O(g) KP = 1.0x10^8

Calculate the equilibrium pressures of all gases.

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There seems to one unknown that cannot be solved for! Any help is appreciated! (I'd rather not have you post the answer, but rather the method) Thanks.
 
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There should only be 2 unknowns. Let x atm of CH4 and y atm of C2H6 be consumed. From the stoichiometry, you should be able to write the loss/gain in partial pressures of the other 3 components in terms of x and y.
 
I could be completely wrong, since i have little experience with complicated equilibrium problems, but what I think you should do is subtract the equations, and then do the appropriate math with the K values. Remember adding equations multiplies the K's, subtracting equations divides the K's. In this case you will need to multiply one of the equations too. This means you raise the K value to what ur multiplying by, for example if your multiplying by 2 u raise the K^2, if you multiply by 1/2(or dividing by 2) you will raise K^(1/2). And then it becomes a simple ICE(initial, change, equilibrium) equation.

You should have 1 equation now and 1 K value. The ICE will give you the correct input variables for all the pressures(you should be able to only use one variable 'x' but I'm not sure since I'm not doing this out) then just solve for x, and then plug in the value for x to find the partial pressures of all the gases.

I'm assuming these equations occur in the same place and you don't solve them separately. Stoichiometry won't work in this case because the products of one equation drive the other equation to the left, and it would just be too complicated for stoichiometry(i think...)
 
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Eshi said:
Stoichiometry won't work in this case because the products of one equation drive the other equation to the left, and it would just be too complicated for stoichiometry(i think...)
No, it's not too complicated. And the stoichiometry is essential.
 

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