General equations for transmitted and reflected waves

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The problem involves analyzing the behavior of waves on two strings when an incident wave is sent down one string, leading to reflected and transmitted waves. The task is to find expressions for the reflected wave, ##h_R##, and the transmitted wave, ##g_T##, based on given boundary conditions.

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  • Participants discuss the application of boundary conditions to derive relationships between the incident, reflected, and transmitted waves. There are attempts to manipulate equations involving derivatives and limits to isolate the unknown functions. Some participants question the validity of hints provided and seek clarification on specific mathematical steps.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing hints and exploring various mathematical approaches. Some have made progress in deriving relationships between the functions, while others express uncertainty about specific substitutions and the implications of the hints. There is a collaborative effort to clarify concepts and ensure understanding of the underlying principles.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as posed, including the requirement to adhere to specific boundary conditions and the nature of wave behavior in the context of the problem. There is an acknowledgment of the need for careful substitutions and the tracking of constants throughout the derivations.

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Homework Statement


Suppose you send an incident wave of specified shape, ##g_I(z-v_1t)##, down string number 1. It gives rise to a reflected wave, ##h_R(z+v_1t)##, and a transmitted wave, ##g_T(z-v_2t)##. By imposing the appropriate boundary conditions [see below], find ##h_R## and ##g_T##.

Homework Equations


The appropriate boundary conditions as given in the book:
##f(0^-,t)=f(0^+,t)## and ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial z}|_{z=0^-} = \frac{\partial f}{\partial z}|_{z=0^+}##.

The Attempt at a Solution


The net displacement of the strings is ##f=g_I(z-v_1t)+h_R(z+v_1t)## for ##(z<0)## and ##f=g_T(z-v_2t)## for ##(z>0)##. Using the first boundary condition: ##g_I(-v_1t)+h_R(v_1t)=g_T(-v_2t)##. For the second condition, I think that the definition of a derivative as a limit is needed. Thus, \lim_{\Delta z→0}\frac{g_I(-v_1t)-g_I(-v_1t-\Delta z) + h_R(v_1t)-h_R(v_1t-\Delta z)}{\Delta z} = \lim_{\Delta z→0}\frac{g_T(-v_2t-\Delta z)-g_T(-v_2t)}{\Delta z}
Rearranging and plugging in the first boundary condition, \lim_{\Delta z→0}\frac{2g_T(-v_2t)-g_I(-v_1t-\Delta z)-h_R(v_1t-\Delta z)-g_T(-v_2t-\Delta z)}{\Delta z}=0
Now I'm stuck. I tried to evaluate the last equation at different times and using the first constraint to attempt to eliminate either ##h_R## or ##g_T##. For instance, evaluating at ##t=\frac{\Delta z}{v_1}## and noting that ##h_R(0) = g_T(0)-g_I(0)## by the first constraint I got: \lim_{\Delta z→0}\frac{2g_T(\frac{v_2}{v_1}t)-g_T(0)-g_T(-\frac{v_2}{v_1}\Delta z-\Delta z)+g_I(0)-g_I(-2\Delta z)}{\Delta z} = 0
I don't see where this leads me and the same happens when I try to evaluate at different times. Any ideas on how to progress from here?

Any suggestions/comments will be greatly appreciated!
 
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Hi ELB27,

Hint 1 if a(u)=b(u+1), then a(u-\Delta z)=b(u-\Delta z + 1) (can you see how to use this to eliminate g_{T}?)

Hint 2 \frac{d}{du}a(w) = \frac{dw}{du}\frac{d}{dw}a(w)

Using some clever substitutions and applying the above derivative rule you should be able to arrive at a simple relationship between g&#039;_{I}(u) and h&#039;_{R}(u)

Cheers,
Gabba
 
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gabbagabbahey said:
Hi ELB27,

Hint 1 if a(u)=b(u+1), then a(u-\Delta z)=b(u-\Delta z + 1) (can you see how to use this to eliminate g_{T}?)

Hint 2 \frac{d}{du}a(w) = \frac{dw}{du}\frac{d}{dw}a(w)

Using some clever substitutions and applying the above derivative rule you should be able to arrive at a simple relationship between g&#039;_{I}(u) and h&#039;_{R}(u)

Cheers,
Gabba
Thank you very much for the hints.
I'm afraid that I still don't see the solution you were suggesting. Also, what is the justification for hint no.1? Why is it true?
However, your two hints gave me another idea. Using your hint no.2 (the chain rule) ##\frac{\partial g_T}{\partial z} = \frac{d g_T}{d (z-v_2t)}\frac{\partial (z-v_2t)}{\partial z} = \frac{d g_T}{d (z-v_2t)}## and ## \frac{\partial g_T}{\partial t} = \frac{d g_T}{d (z-v_2t)}\frac{\partial (z-v_2t)}{\partial t} = -v_2\frac{d g_T}{d (z-v_2t)}##. Thus, ##\frac{\partial g_T}{\partial z} = -\frac{1}{v_2}\frac{\partial g_T}{\partial t}##. Acquiring a similar expression for ##g_I## and ##h_R##, and noting that ##\frac{\partial g(z-vt)}{\partial t}|_{z=0} = \frac{\partial g(-vt)}{\partial t}## since the derivative is with respect to ##t##, the 2nd condition can be rewritten as -\frac{1}{v_2}\frac{\partial g_T(-v_2t)}{\partial t}=-\frac{1}{v_1}\frac{\partial g_I(-v_1t)}{\partial t}+\frac{1}{v_1}\frac{\partial h_R(v_1t)}{\partial t}Integrating with respect to time, -\frac{1}{v_2}g_T(-v_2t)=-\frac{1}{v_1}g_I(-v_1t)+\frac{1}{v_1}h_R(v_1t) + c where ##c## is a constant of integration. Now, by the first condition, ##g_T(-v_2t) = g_I(-v_1t)+h_R(v_1t)##. Using these two equations, we can isolate both ##h_R## and ##g_T##. To wit: ##h_R(v_1t)=\frac{v_2-v_1}{v_2+v_1}g_I(-v_1t) + c## and ##g_T(-v_2t) = \frac{2v_2}{v_2+v_1}g_I(-v_1t)+d##. Now your first hint comes into play. If I understood it correctly, I can just add ##+z## into the brackets of each function and get the final solution.
I'm not sure about this last step as there is also a constant in front (although it doesn't depend on ##t##). Also, I would like to solve this problem with the original method.
Thanks in advance!
 
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ELB27 said:
Thank you very much for the hints.
I'm afraid that I still don't see the solution you were suggesting.
There's more than one way to skin a cat

ELB27 said:
Also, what is the justification for hint no.1? Why is it true?
Well, a and b are functions (although I realize now I could have made that clearer in the Hint), so it is just a substitution u \rightarrow u +\Delta z (specifically, it can be thought of as a "shift" of the u axis)

If it is not intuitively obvious still, consider an example like the functions \cos and \sin which are related by \cos\left(x \right) = \sin \left( \frac{\pi}{2} - x\right), and compare the plots of \cos\left(x + a\right) and \sin \left( \frac{\pi}{2} - (x +a)\right) for some random values of a

ELB27 said:
To wit: ##h_R(v_1t)=\frac{v_2-v_1}{v_2+v_1}g_I(-v_1t) + c## and ##g_T(-v_2t) = \frac{2v_2}{v_2+v_1}g_I(-v_1t)+d##.

Not sure why you have two different constants here.

ELB27 said:
Now your first hint comes into play. If I understood it correctly, I can just add ##+z## into the brackets of each function and get the final solution.
I'm not sure about this last step as there is also a constant in front!

Well, you can't "just add ##+z## into the brackets of each function and get the final solution", but you can make a substitution (carefully) to express the relationships between the functions in a different form if desired. Are you expected to provide your final answer in a specific format?
If not, I would personally write it in the form h_{R}(u) = ... and g_T(u) = ...
 
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gabbagabbahey said:
Well, a and b are functions (although I realize now I could have made that clearer in the Hint), so it is just a substitution u \rightarrow u +\Delta z (specifically, it can be thought of as a "shift" of the u axis)
I understand now, thanks.
gabbagabbahey said:
Not sure why you have two different constants here.
You're right. After keeping track of the changes to the original ##c## I realized that in both cases the constant equals to ##c'=\left(-\frac{v_2}{v_1+v_2}\right)c##.
gabbagabbahey said:
Well, you can't "just add ##+z## into the brackets of each function and get the final solution", but you can make a substitution (carefully) to express the relationships between the functions in a different form if desired. Are you expected to provide your final answer in a specific format?
If not, I would personally write it in the form h_{R}(u) = ... and g_T(u) = ...
Well, in the case of ##h_R##, I want ##u=z+v_1t##. In order to get it, I would make the substitution ##t→t+\frac{z}{v_1}## and get h_R(z+v_1t)=h_R(u)=\frac{v_2-v_1}{v_2+v_1}g_I(-v_1t-z)+c&#039;=\frac{v_2-v_1}{v_2+v_1}g_I(-u)+c&#039; In the case of ##g_T##, I want ##u=z-v_2t##. To get it, I would make the substitution ##t→t-\frac{z}{v_2}## to get g_T(z-v_2t)=g_T(u)=\frac{2v_2}{v_2+v_1}g_I(\frac{v_1}{v_2}z-v_1t)+c&#039; = \frac{2v_2}{v_2+v_1}g_I(\frac{v_1}{v_2}u)+c&#039; I have to say that I feel more confident in these substitutions - are they correct?
 

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