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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the deflection of light around a massive body, specifically in the context of general relativity. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the units of the deflection angle derived from the equation 2δφ=4GM/R, where R is the distance of closest approach and M is the mass of the body.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the derived deflection angle and its units, questioning how a value with units of m²s⁻² can be converted to arcseconds per century. There is discussion about the potential omission of factors in the original equation and the implications of using different unit systems.

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Some participants have provided guidance regarding the need for consistent units, suggesting that a missing factor of 1/c² may clarify the unit conversion issue. The conversation indicates that there is ongoing exploration of the correct formulation and its implications for the units of the deflection angle.

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There is mention of using units where the speed of light is set to 1, which may have contributed to the confusion regarding unit conversion. Participants are also considering the implications of this choice on the final expression for the deflection angle.

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So basically I will not bother writing the derivation from my notes but ultimately it turns out an approximation of deflected light around a mass body is 2\delta\phi=4GM/R where R is distance of closest approach and M is mass of body.

Now what I am confused about is that calculating this deflection angle will give me a value with units of m2s-2, sooooo I should be getting a value with units arcseconds per century, how exactly does this work? Confused the heck out of me. .
 

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Lengalicious said:
So basically I will not bother writing the derivation from my notes but ultimately it turns out an approximation of deflected light around a mass body is 2\delta\phi=4GM/R where R is distance of closest approach and M is mass of body.

Hello, Lengalicious.

You have left something out of the equation. Maybe in your notes you were using units where the speed of light is 1, but here you will want to use standard SI or cgs units.
 
TSny said:
Hello, Lengalicious.

You have left something out of the equation. Maybe in your notes your were using units where the speed of light is 1, but here you will want to use standard SI or cgs units.

I guess that's the only logical explanation, but if there was a missing factor of 1/c then I would still end up with ms-1 which just would not be convertible to arcseconds per century still. The deflection angle comes from the solution to a differential equation formed by conservation of energy for a particle in a gravitational potential with an extra general relativistic term. None of these terms contain a factor of c unless the general relativistic term does contain a hidden factor c=1 that my professor did not bother to specify for some reason.
 
If you are using units where c = 1, then also cn = 1 for any power.

I'm sure you can find the formula in SI units by doing a quick web search.
 
TSny said:
If you are using units where c = 1, then also cn = 1 for any power.

I'm sure you can find the formula in SI units by doing a quick web search.

Yeh tried earlier with no success but after a quick research managed to find it, turns out its missing a factor of 1/c2 like you say, in any case will the value be in radians now?

Thanks for the heads up btw.
 
Good. Yes, radians!
 
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