General Relativity - Motion in Newtonian Limit

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equation of motion for particles in a weak gravitational field using General Relativity, specifically focusing on the Newtonian limit. The original poster presents a metric and seeks to apply the variational principle while making certain approximations related to the velocity of particles compared to the speed of light.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the equation of motion using the Euler-Lagrange equations but encounters difficulties in solving for the parameterization from the metric. They question what approximations are permissible to simplify their derivation.
  • Some participants suggest differentiating the terms and dropping certain components based on the assumption that \(\phi/c^2\) is small, while others explore integration techniques and boundary conditions to manipulate the equations further.
  • There is a discussion about rewriting the differential equation and considering the implications of the terms involved, with some participants proposing to neglect higher-order terms in their calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing various insights and suggestions for handling the equations. While some guidance has been offered regarding simplifications and potential approaches, there is no explicit consensus on the best path forward, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may impose specific rules on the assumptions and approximations they can make. The original poster is particularly focused on following the methods demonstrated by their teacher, which influences their approach to the problem.

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General Relativity -- Motion in Newtonian Limit

Homework Statement



Assume that the metric of space-time in a weak gravitational field, [itex]\frac{\phi}{c^2} << 1[/itex] is [itex]ds^2 = (1 + \frac{2\phi}{c^2})c^2 dt^2 - (dx^1)^2 - (dx^2)^2 - (dx^3)^2[/itex] for some arbitrary scalar function phi.
Use the variational principle to derive the equation of motion of particles, in the approximation that the velocity is small compared to c. Compare to the equations of Newtonian gravity.

Note that my teacher has been using the squared version of the metric in our actionals to derive things, so I wanted to follow his example. This however means that our parameterization [itex]\tau[/itex] is not arbitrary and that we need to solve for it from the metric.


I have no trouble solving for my spatial components as soon as I make the assumption that [itex]\frac{dt}{d\lambda} \approx 1[/itex]. However I'm having trouble solving for this quantity from my euler-lagrange equations. I could really use some help in figuring out what approximations I am allowed to make here. Specifically I derive the equation

[itex]\frac{d}{d\tau} [ c^2 \frac{dt}{d\tau} + 2\phi(x) \frac{dt}{d\tau}] - \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial t} (\frac{dt}{d\tau})^2 = 0[/itex]

which we can divide through and by c squared and do a tiny bit of algebra to find something which looks ready to approximate--

[itex]\frac{d}{d\tau} [ \frac{dt}{d\tau} +\frac{2\phi}{c^2} \frac{dt}{d\tau}] = \frac{1}{c^2} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial \tau} (\frac{dt}{d\tau})[/itex]

clearly this must solve such that [itex]\frac{dt}{d\tau} = 1 + O(c^{-1})[/itex] but getting there is a bit of a headache for me.. I was wondering what approximations I might make to reach this final form.

Edit: My best thought right now is to throw away the right hand side, and for whatever arbitrary reason integrate so that [itex]\frac{dt}{d\tau} = constant - \frac{2\phi}{c^2}[/itex] where our second term is negligible and can be neglected.. however I have no idea what to set the constant or what the justification for throwing away the RHS might be.
 
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Oh common,it is not that tough.Just do the differentiation on the left,the differentiation of second term on left will give two terms,drop one term accounting for [itex]\phi[/itex]/c2<<1,and one other term will be subtracted from the right(we can not set (1/c2)∂[itex]\phi[/itex]/∂t to zero)..See now
 
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Thats right, I already realized we could do a little bit of algebra and write [itex]\frac{d^2t}{d\tau^2} = - \frac{1}{c^2} \frac{dt}{d\tau} \frac{d\phi}{d\tau}[/itex] but again I wasn't sure what to do with this term, I considered integration by parts and using our fixed boundary conditions on lambda, but I couldn't get anything too meaningful from that.
 
Assume dt/dτ=y.Also dτ will cancel.
 
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After substituting I have [itex]\frac{dy}{d\tau} = \frac{-1}{c^2} y(\tau) \frac{d\phi}{d\tau}[/itex]. None of the ODE tables on wikipedia have a solution for a differential equation written as [itex]y' = F'(y) y[/itex].. what am I missing here?

Edit: After looking at the equation I suppose I could write [itex]\frac{y'}{y} = F'(y)[/itex] and solve for [itex]y =A e^{ F(y(\tau))}[/itex]

Thank you
 
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you can as well now use the expansion of ex and neglect higher order terms in [itex]\phi[/itex]/c2 to get result what you wanted in op.
 

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