What is the nullspace of (A-2E)^2?

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The discussion focuses on the nullspace of the operator (A-2E)^2 and its relationship to the Jordan canonical form of a matrix A. It highlights that vectors in the nullspace of (A-2E)^3 are also in the nullspace of ([A]' - 2[E])^2, indicating that A lacks generalized eigenvectors of rank 3. A key point of confusion arises regarding whether the nullspaces of ([A]' - 2[E])^2 and ([A] - 2[E])^2 are the same, with the conclusion that they indeed are the same after careful examination of the transformations involved. The discussion emphasizes the importance of explicitly writing out the factors to avoid errors in understanding the operators' relationships. Ultimately, the participants clarify that the operators do share the same nullspace vectors when analyzed correctly.
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Please note: Below, I keep trying to put [ capital B ] but it gets turned into !

In Dennery and Krzywicki, they give an example of how to put a matrix in Jordan canonical form (pp. 167-170). They start with a 4x4 matrix [A] that looks kind of messy and transform it to a quasi-diagonal form [A]' = [B^(-1)] [A] that is less full (I'm distinguishing between operators A and their matrix representations [A]). So far so good.

They go on to say that vectors in the null space of (A-2E)^3 are also in the null space of ([A]' - 2[E])^2. This, they say, shows that A has no generalized eigenvectors of rank 3. They seem to be assuming that if ([A]'-2[E])^2 [v]' = 0 then (A-2E)^2 |v> = 0 (|v> is a vector without reference to a particular basis, and [v]' = [B^(-1)] [v]). Then they would have

(A-2E)^3 |v> = 0 implies that (A-2E)^2 |v> = 0

and this statement does indeed seem incompatible with the existence of a generalized eigenvector of rank 3 for A.

Now for my big confusion:

If ([A]'-2[E])^2 [v]' = 0 is just a particular representation of (A-2E)^2 |v> = 0, then it would seem that so is ([A]-2[E])^2 [v] = 0. But

([A]'-2[E])^2 [v]' = ([B^(-1)] [A] - 2[E])^2 [B^(-1)] [v] =

[B^(-1)]^2 ([A] - 2[E])^2 ^2 [B^(-1)] [v] =

[B^(-1)]^2 ([A] - 2[E])^2 [v] = 0.

The operators ([A]'-2[E])^2 and ([A] - 2[E])^2 do not seem to have to same vectors in their nullspaces. There is a factor of that would have to be the identity matrix there in the last equation. So what, then, does it mean to talk about *the* nullspace of (A-2E)^2? What would particular representations of the operator look like?
 
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That should be
[ A ]' = [ B-1 ] [ A ] [ B ]

[B] comes out looking like due to forum tags

it is obvious that ([ A ]'-2[ E ])2 and ([ A ] - 2[ E ])2 do have to same vectors in their nullspaces as

[ B ]([ A ]'-2[ E ])2=([ A ] - 2[ E ])2[ B ]
 
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I don't see how that last statement is true. If I replace [A]' with the similarity transformation and plug it into the equation on the left hand side, I don't see how the right hand side results. There would be a factor of the inverse of B squared, for instance, no?

Also, I don't see how equality on multiplying by the inverse of B implies equality of the nullspace vectors.
 
Wait. Actually I do see it now. If you write the squared factors out explicitly and replace [A]' with the similarity transformation in each factor, the two operators I mentioned can be seen to have the same nullspace vectors. Thanks!

I should mention that before, I was pushing operators through several terms without realizing it. Writing out the factors explicitly kept me from doing that.
 
Oops your right that should have been

[ B ]([ A ]'-2[ E ])2=([ A ] - 2[ E ])2[ B ]
 
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