Generating Artificial Gravity: Is E=mc2 the Key?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of generating artificial gravity, particularly through the lens of Einstein's equation E=mc². Participants explore theoretical approaches to creating gravity fields without relying on traditional methods such as rotation or superdense cores, focusing instead on the concentration of energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if sufficient energy could be concentrated in a single point, it might generate a gravitational field, assuming energy generation is not a limiting factor.
  • Another participant proposes the idea of using rotation, such as a centrifuge, to simulate gravity, but this is challenged by others who focus on non-mechanical methods.
  • A different viewpoint argues that generating a significant gravitational force would require a massive amount of energy close to a spaceship, which would also create an equal and opposite force on the energy source, complicating the scenario.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the feasibility of these ideas, with one deferring to those with a better understanding of General Relativity (GR) to clarify the implications of these energy-based concepts.
  • Another participant notes that concentrating enough energy to create a gravitational field could lead to the formation of matter, drawing parallels to processes in particle accelerators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the viability of generating artificial gravity through concentrated energy. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the mechanics and implications of such approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various assumptions, such as the nature of energy and mass, the limitations of current understanding of GR, and the potential for energy concentration to lead to matter formation. These factors remain unresolved within the discussion.

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E=mc2 says that mass and energy are interchangeable.

to make interstellar space flight possible artificial gravity must be generated. assuming that energy generation is not a factor, according to the equation given sufficient energy a gravity field could be generated.

most everything that I've read regarding artificial gravity says that a superdense core of some sort is needed. since mass and energy are essentially the same thing, again assuming energy generation is not a factor, wouldn't it be possible to focus energy on a single point sufficient enough to generate 1g aboard the vessel?

there are many variables that i did not discuss and everything i said is theoretical, i just want some feedback on the idea.
 
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Rotation to create a simulation of gravity using a centrifuge?
 
not really. same concept, energy into gravity, but no moving parts in my question. just a supremely massive amount of energy concentrated in a single place to generate gravity.
 
I think what he meant was: There is no need for "artificial gravity", it is much easier to simply use a centrifuge.
 
obione said:
If you could generate enough energy(mass) very close to a spaceship and maintain that energy in the intended direction of travel you will indeed create a force of attraction between the energy source and the spaceship, and u have interstelar travel.

I'm not sure I understand you properly, do you mean like a donkey chasing a carrot?

http://www.christian-education.org/images/donkey.gif

Remember Newton's 3rd law. There will be an equal and opposite force on the source of the mass, tending to push it towards your spaceship. If you wish to maintain the distance between yourself and the mass you will need to provide some sort of repulsion force of equal magnitude, which in turn means you move nowhere.
 
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I have to defer to someone with a better understanding of GR to refute that, but since it would essentially be a free energy device I'm quite certain it wouldn't work that simply.
 
Yeah, I think I misunderstood what you were saying, but I'll still defer to someone with a better knowledge of GR to say whether or not this would work.
 
obione,
Yes, that propulsion system has occurred to me as well, every time I see a scifi show where they have artificial gravity and are only using it to keep their feet stuck to the floor! It would be a novel form of propulsion.

Kazza,
Yes, in hteory enough energy generated in a concentrated area would create a gravitational field. However, I think that much energy condensed into a very small space would essentially be...matter! One image used to teach GR holds that matter and energy are simply the two forms of mass. energy is the "spread out" form, and matter is the "packed tight" form. It's not a perfect image, but accurate enough for the current conversation. If you carm enough energy into a small space to generate a 1g grav field, you will end up creating matter, like they do in particle accelerators.
 

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