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The discussion revolves around the concept of the "generator of rotations" in quantum mechanics, specifically questioning what is being rotated in this context. Participants explore the implications of this concept in relation to angular momentum, wave functions, and transformations in a physical system.

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  • One participant questions what is being rotated when referring to the angular momentum operator as the "generator of rotations," suggesting it could be an arbitrary vector or the basis of the coordinate system.
  • Another participant clarifies that the rotations can be viewed as either a passive rotation of the basis or an active rotation of the space itself, which affects the coordinates of vectors.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the rotations correspond to transformations of observables or states, with the wave function representing a vector in a specific basis.
  • A participant introduces a specific problem related to a triatomic molecule and seeks to derive the angular momentum operator in terms of the angle between moving nuclei.
  • One response provides a method to derive the angular momentum operator and discusses the distinction between active and passive views of symmetry transformations, using the Ising model as an example.
  • The concept of gauge symmetry is also mentioned, noting that it involves transformations that do not change the physical state but rather provide a redundant description of the same state.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of rotations and transformations, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist regarding the role of the angular momentum operator and the implications of symmetry transformations.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of wave functions, the definitions of active and passive transformations, and the implications of gauge symmetry, which remain unresolved.

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"Generator of rotations"...rotations of WHAT?

The angular momentum operator is defined as the "generator of rotations." Fine. But rotations of WHAT? What's being rotated? The wave function (doesn't make sense; isn't the wave function a scalar), perhaps? An arbitrary vector in the coordinate system under investigation?
 
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It is the latter. Equivalently, you are rotating the basis of the three-dimensional space (a passive rotation). Or, yet differently formulated, you are rotating the space itself while keeping the basis fixed (active rotation), which also causes the coordinates of vectors to change.
 


AxiomOfChoice -> Rotations of yourself... or of your coordinate system, if you prefer. To which correspond transformations of observables/states. And the wave function is nothing but an explicit representation of a vector in some specific base (the "coordinate representation").
 


Thanks guys! That's very helpful.

Right now, I'm studying a triatomic molecule confined to move in two dimensions. Suppose the central nucleus is fixed at the origin, and let [itex]\theta[/itex] be the angle between the radius vector of the first (free to move) nucleus and the second (free to move) nucleus. How do I show that [itex]L = -i\hbar \dfrac{\partial}{\partial \theta}[/itex] in this case?
 


Use the definition of L:
L = r x p (outer product)
By plugging in the appropriate components you will get your answer.

Also: you can view the generator of a symmetry transformations in two ways. The active and the passive way. In the passive way, you change the way you "view" the system - this in some sense just a coordinate transformation, like boosting yourself to a moving reference frame. The physical state of the system stays the same.

In the active point of view you physically change the system. That is, the symmetry transformation actively transforms the physical state, meaning we map one state in your Hilbert space, to another. If both states carry the same "physical information" (for a lack of a better description) then you are dealing with a symmetry of the system. An example is the Ising model: flipping all the spins in the opposite direction actively changes the state, but leaves you with the same energy etc.

To complete the discussion: in a gauge "symmetry" you also activily transform the state. But the physical state itself doesn't change - you simply have redundant way of describing the same physical state. A gauge redundancy would be a better way of putting it, because it is not a "true" symmetry of the system (i.e. we don't map between different physical states when performing a gauge transformation).
 
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