Genitalia: Why waste elimination AND reproduction?

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The discussion centers on the dual functionality of genitalia in vertebrates, specifically their roles in waste elimination and reproduction. Participants highlight evolutionary advantages, such as resource efficiency and reduced infection risk due to fewer openings in the body. The conversation also touches on the anatomical design inherited from early vertebrates, emphasizing the conservation of body plans over time. Ultimately, the proximity of these functions is presented as a beneficial adaptation that enhances survival and reproductive success.

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Why do genitalia serve this dual purpose? Is there some payoff or benefit for these organs to provide both functions of waste elimination and sexual reproduction?
 
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Ha! Thanks for that. So I guess it's one of those imponderables.
 
Maybe, maybe not. Forgive me -- I was just having some fun with your legitimate scientific question.

I figure if the reproductive doo-dads were tucked between the legs, it might be a slightly safer place where a predator bite would have trouble getting at them. So a critter might take a hit at the extremities, but still go on to reproduce.

But we'll see what the biology mavens have to say...
 
It also allow a more efficient use of resources.. why have two things when one is enough?
 
There's an old dictum - phylogeny recapitulates ontogeny.

Vertebrates all have pretty much the same body plan as we do. Our design comes from early vertebrates. As animals evolve, basic overall body plans and metabolic pathways change slowly or, more correctly, tend to be conserved. This is why all of the vertebrates have bilateral symmetry, for example. And why waste excretion openings and genitalia tend to be in very close proximity in most vertebrate species.

Why fix it if it ain't broke?
 
Well, I expected that. But why did the proximity exist in the first place? Surely it's not just coincidental.
 
Mallignamius said:
Surely it's not just coincidental.

Why not?

Unlike lower invertebrates, we have separation of ingestive and excretory openings. It also makes sense to have the fewest openings from the outside to the inside (the digestive tract really provides a closed tube through the body) so that the potential for infection penetrating the body cavity is reduced.
 
Moonbear said:
Why not?

Unlike lower invertebrates, we have separation of ingestive and excretory openings. It also makes sense to have the fewest openings from the outside to the inside (the digestive tract really provides a closed tube through the body) so that the potential for infection penetrating the body cavity is reduced.

Fewer infections, hence lower mortality rate, hence better rate of survival, genes passed on...Hey-Presto, a genitila with two functions.

Funnily enough, you can't do "both" things at the same time. It's physically impossible.
 

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