Geodesic Equations: Newtonian vs Einstein

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the comparison of the geodesic equations from Newtonian and Einsteinian physics, exploring their similarities and differences. Participants examine the implications of these equations in both theoretical and practical contexts, including their applications in gravitational fields and curved spacetime.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Newtonian equation of motion and the Einsteinian geodesic equation, suggesting they are similar yet distinct.
  • Another participant proposes that Newtonian gravity can be represented in terms of curved spacetime, implying both equations might represent the same physical reality under certain conditions.
  • A participant mentions the practical application of the geodesic equation in defining the flight path of a passenger jet, raising a question about the necessary inputs for this equation.
  • Reference to Wald's General Relativity is made, indicating that the Newtonian equation can be derived from the geodesic equation in the appropriate limit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the two equations, with some suggesting they could represent the same phenomenon while others emphasize the broader applicability of the Einsteinian equation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these equations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the physical context of the equations and the definitions of terms used, which are not fully explored in the discussion.

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\dfrac{d^2 x}{dt^2}=-\nabla \Phi

\dfrac{d^2 x^\mu}{d\tau^2}= -\Gamma^{\mu}_{\alpha \beta}{}\dfrac{dx^\alpha}{d\tau}\dfrac{dx^\beta}{d\tau}

These two equations, to be true, the way they are written should ring a bell. They are similar yet not identical. What is the meaning behind them?

I guess first is Newtonian; second, is Einstein.
 
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Newtonian gravity can be represented using curved spacetime, so if that was the physics behind the equations, then both equations could be representing exactly the same thing.

However, the physical context of the second equation could be much more general than that of the first. For instance, the second equation could be used to define the great-circle course of a passenger jet from Europe to America.
 
For instance, the second equation could be used to define the great-circle course of a passenger jet from Europe to America.

Ok, nice! I will be flying soon from Germany to Houston, what inputs should I put into second equation?
 
See pages 76-77 of Wald's General Relativity.
The first equation, which describes the motion of a particle in the gravitational field phi, can be derived from the second, the geodesic equation for a point particle in a curved spacetime, in the Newtonian limit.
 

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