Geodesics on a sphere and the Christoffel symbols

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equations for geodesic paths on a sphere of radius 1, specifically focusing on the relationship between the geodesic equation, Christoffel symbols, and the parametrization of great circles. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and implications of these concepts.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes deriving the geodesic equations using the geodesic formula and metric, resulting in a system of differential equations.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for a parametrization that fixes the length of the tangent vector to satisfy the geodesic equations.
  • A participant questions the formulation of the great circle equation, suggesting it should include constants for the endpoints.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of affinely parametrized geodesics and their relation to parallel transport.
  • One participant reiterates the importance of selecting a parametrization with respect to arc length.
  • A later reply comments on the previous responses and notes the lack of engagement from the original poster.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate parametrization for the geodesic equations and the formulation of the great circle equation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific errors in the original derivation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about parametrization and the dependence on the definitions of the geodesic equations. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in the derivation.

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Hi, I recently tried to derive the equations for a geodesic path on a sphere of radius 1 (which are supposed to come out to be a great circle) using the formula \dfrac{d^2 x^a}{dt^2}+\Gamma^a_{bc} \dfrac{dx^b}{dt}\dfrac{dx^c}{dt}=0 for the geodesic equation, with the metric ds^2=d\theta^2+\sin^2\theta d\phi^2. After solving for the Christoffel symbols and plugging in, I got the system of differential equations \dfrac{d^2\theta}{dt^2}=\sin\theta\cos\theta \left(\dfrac{d\phi}{dt}\right)^2 and \dfrac{d^2\phi}{dt^2}=-2\cot\theta\left(\dfrac{d\phi}{dt}\dfrac{d\theta}{dt}\right), but when I plug in the formula for a great circle, \tan \theta\cos\phi=1 by making the parametrization t=\cot\theta=\cos\phi, it does not satisfy the differential equations. Can anyone explain to me where I've gone wrong?
 
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You cannot pick just any parametrisation to satisfy the geodesic equations. You need a parametrisation which fixes the length of the tangent vector.
 
How can the equation of a great circle be ##\tan \theta\cos\phi=1##? Surely it should contain some constants for the two points on it?
 
Orodruin said:
You need a parametrisation which fixes the length of the tangent vector.
Trying to understand this. Is it referring to the parameterisation of the great circle equation? Is it something to do with parallel transport?
 
George Keeling said:
Trying to understand this. Is it referring to the parameterisation of the great circle equation? Is it something to do with parallel transport?
Yes, an affinely parametrised geodesic has a tangent that is parallel along it.
 
acegikmoqsuwy said:
Hi, I recently tried to derive the equations for a geodesic path on a sphere of radius 1 (which are supposed to come out to be a great circle) using the formula \dfrac{d^2 x^a}{dt^2}+\Gamma^a_{bc} \dfrac{dx^b}{dt}\dfrac{dx^c}{dt}=0 for the geodesic equation, with the metric ds^2=d\theta^2+\sin^2\theta d\phi^2. After solving for the Christoffel symbols and plugging in, I got the system of differential equations \dfrac{d^2\theta}{dt^2}=\sin\theta\cos\theta \left(\dfrac{d\phi}{dt}\right)^2 and \dfrac{d^2\phi}{dt^2}=-2\cot\theta\left(\dfrac{d\phi}{dt}\dfrac{d\theta}{dt}\right), but when I plug in the formula for a great circle, \tan \theta\cos\phi=1 by making the parametrization t=\cot\theta=\cos\phi, it does not satisfy the differential equations. Can anyone explain to me where I've gone wrong?

What you have to do is selecting a parametrization with respect to the arc length (s).
 
Adrian555 said:
What you have to do is selecting a parametrization with respect to the arc length (s).
As already stated by me four years ago when this thread was new. The OP has not been seen for 6 months. Please avoid thread necromancy when the question has been answered.
 

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