Geometric Argument to Solve AP Calculus Problem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a specific AP Calculus problem that participants are attempting to solve using geometric arguments. The focus is on exploring alternative methods to find the area of a shaded region defined by curves and circles, rather than relying solely on calculus techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their initial success with the problem but seeks a geometric solution, indicating a desire for alternative methods.
  • Another participant identifies the intersection point (1,1) and proposes calculating the area of a sector and subtracting the area of a triangle to find the shaded region.
  • A different participant expresses confusion regarding the subtraction step mentioned, suggesting that the area consists of both a sector and a minor segment.
  • One participant clarifies their subtraction of the triangle's area from the sector, explaining the vertices involved and the area calculation.
  • Another participant asserts that subdividing the region into triangles and sectors is straightforward, implying that calculus may not be necessary for this problem.
  • A light-hearted comment is made about communicating with CollegeBoard regarding the problem-solving approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to solving the problem, with some favoring geometric methods and others questioning the clarity of the proposed calculations. No consensus is reached on a definitive solution or method.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the geometric properties and area calculations are not fully detailed, and there may be unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning presented.

Who May Find This Useful

Students preparing for AP Calculus, educators looking for alternative problem-solving methods, and individuals interested in geometric reasoning in mathematics.

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I was given an ap problem in class, specifically:

Problem 2:http://www.collegeboard.com/prod_downloads/ap/students/calculus/b_calculus_bc_frq_03.pdf

I was able to do it just fine, but then I had the idea to try and solve it geometrically/algebraically. However, I haven't been able to come up with a solution this way and I was wondering if anyone could see a way that it could indeed be solved using some sort of a geometric argument.
 
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Wait I know that they intersect at (1,1) so then I can find the angle, which is pi/4. Then I can find the area of the sector of the circle centered at the origin and subtract 1/2 (to get the portion of the shaded region bounded by the larger circle. The rest of the area is just 1/4 the are of the smaller circle, so...

A_{sector} = \frac{1}{2}(\frac{\pi}{4})\sqrt{2}^2

A_{sector} = \frac{\pi}{4}

A_{total} = \frac{1}{4}\pi(1)^2 + [\frac{\pi}{4} - \frac{1}{2}]

A_{total} = \frac{1}{2}(\pi -1)

Look right?
 
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I don't understand what you meant after "and subtract...".

When you connect (1,1) and the origin, its basically the sum of a sector and a minor segment.
 
I subtracted 1/2 because I was just trying to find the area of the shaded region past x=1.

To do so I found the area of the sector then subtracted the area of the triangle that was part of the sector with vertices's at (0,0) (1,1) and (1,0).

The area of this triangle is 1/2 so that is why I subtracted it.
 
yes it is very easy to subdivide the region into triangles whose areas are easily found and sectors of circles which are equally easy.

in fact no one in his right mind would do this area problem by calculus.
 
Haha yeah, think you could speak to CollegeBoard on my behalf? :smile:
 

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